SEC Supervisor Ousted

[tomegun]

OK, this situation could effect everyone except Rut.

This firing could cause supervisors of major conferences to shift over one conference across the US. In fact, the Big Ten could be one of the only major conferences this doesn't effect. I said could be.

Rut also isn't aware of the amount of power coach Guthrie has in officiating. There are probably 100 guys who were in the "system." Now we don't even know if the system will still include the smaller leagues as feeders. Plus, the guys who worked a certain way, to include running, will have a big question mark about their future. Someone on the brink of D1 could get pushed back.

In regards to the ACC not having a big impact across the country - two programs, two totally different situations.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by tomegun
OK, this situation could effect everyone except Rut.

This firing could cause supervisors of major conferences to shift over one conference across the US. In fact, the Big Ten could be one of the only major conferences this doesn't effect. I said could be.

Rut also isn't aware of the amount of power coach Guthrie has in officiating. There are probably 100 guys who were in the "system." Now we don't even know if the system will still include the smaller leagues as feeders. Plus, the guys who worked a certain way, to include running, will have a big question mark about their future. Someone on the brink of D1 could get pushed back.

In regards to the ACC not having a big impact across the country - two programs, two totally different situations.

Who said anything about me? I do not work D1, I could personally give a damn what happens. When I get to that point I will worry about it then.

Still, not sure how that affects the guys on the cusp of working the Big Ten, Conference USA or the Big 12. I guess it does in your mind and we all have to worry about it as if the sky is falling.

Why not wait until the new coordinator is hired and then jump off the bridge.

Peace

[jbduke]

Originally posted by JRutledge

Who said anything about me? I do not work D1, I could personally give a damn what happens. When I get to that point I will worry about it then.

Still, not sure how that affects the guys on the cusp of working the Big Ten, Conference USA or the Big 12. I guess it does in your mind and we all have to worry about it as if the sky is falling.

Why not wait until the new coordinator is hired and then jump off the bridge.

Peace

Rut,

Why does it pain you so much to concede that this might not be just a regional story? I would have thought you realized that there are significant differences among the officiating philosophies of some of the supervisors of the power conferences. If one supervisor adds a new conference, that almost necessarily implies that a lot of officials will fall out of favor with their (new) supervisor, because they will not have been trained by him and his trusted advisors. That, in turn means that those officials who are in the good graces of their (old) supervisor stand to benefit because there are now more games available for them to be assigned to.

If you're still having trouble connecting the dots, Mike Slive is the commissioner of the SEC. Care to guess which conference he came to the SEC from?

Nobody is saying that you are, or will be affected by this. Nobody even cares. A couple of people are simply making the (generally) uncontroversial statement that this move could affect many more than just those under the SEC umbrella. Sheesh.

FWIW, the ACC did not hire an active official as its supervisor when the position came open last year. They hired newly retired John Clougherty. And Tony's right when he writes that things are not the same there.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by jbduke


Rut,

Why does it pain you so much to concede that this might not be just a regional story? I would have thought you realized that there are significant differences among the officiating philosophies of some of the supervisors of the power conferences. If one supervisor adds a new conference, that almost necessarily implies that a lot of officials will fall out of favor with their (new) supervisor, because they will not have been trained by him and his trusted advisors. That, in turn means that those officials who are in the good graces of their (old) supervisor stand to benefit because there are now more games available for them to be assigned to.

I do not recall that I said this was just a regional story. The SEC is a national conference that sounds like a national story to me.

Secondly, if you actually read what I said in previous posts, I said that it might affect those that work in those areas (the southern region of the country) but I can tell you it is likely not going to change what happens in the Midwest and all those D1 conferences and probably will not change at all what goes on in the Pacific conferences. Dude, this is just an opinion. This is no different than us discussing whether the Colts should rest their stars for the playoffs or try to go for the undefeated season (not an issue anymore ) It is not a big deal.

Originally posted by jbduke
If you're still having trouble connecting the dots, Mike Slive is the commissioner of the SEC. Care to guess which conference he came to the SEC from?

So what.

Originally posted by jbduke
Nobody is saying that you are, or will be affected by this. Nobody even cares. A couple of people are simply making the (generally) uncontroversial statement that this move could affect many more than just those under the SEC umbrella. Sheesh.

I did not realize that what I said was that big of deal. If Tommy was so passionate about the original post, why did he delete it when just about everyone was unaffected by his hyperbole of how important the situation was? I swear to God sometimes I really do not understand you guys. If you want to discuss something, be prepared for all sides of the issue to be discussed. If you cannot handle that, then this place is not going to be for you. I gave my opinion and that is all it is, MY FREAKIN OPINION. I personally do not care how it is going to affect anyone else either. It is not a life or death situation. It is just officiating guys. You mean people are suffering all over the world and you are worried that I shared an opinion that in the bigger picture is not going to mean anything. I do not recall that anyone in the SEC is going to ask any of us what we think.

Originally posted by jbduke
FWIW, the ACC did not hire an active official as its supervisor when the position came open last year. They hired newly retired John Clougherty. And Tony's right when he writes that things are not the same there.

If it makes you feel better the assignor for the Mid-Con was the assignor for the MAC last year but was released (quit or fired I do not know) before the season started. That change affected a bunch of officials in our area. I also know that the Big Ten fired a bunch of officials that only worked in the Big Ten last year. Most of those officials fired only worked one or two games anyway. The MAC and Mid-Con were both conferences that many officials would use to get into the bigger conferences in the midwest (as well as Missouri Valley or Ohio Valley). Now that was a huge conversation around here and it affected which camp many officials in my area were going to attend. I also know a camp that I have attended the last few years is going to have the new MAC Coordinator probably show up and observe officials at this camp. Now that was bigger news where I live. Maybe it is not a national story, but it sure was talked about more than who runs the SEC.

Are you happy now?

Peace

[jbduke]

Wow. I think you just broke the record for non sequitors in a single post.

[tomegun]

If it is just your opinion, let everyone else discuss it without your input. We know what your opinion is so now you don't have to commment on it.

I deleted the previous post because I wanted to. I don't have to offer you any other explaination. It shouldn't be any concern to you why I did it anyway. You made your opinion known in that thread so your opinion isn't needed in this one.

I think most of us know this isn't life or death. We just talk about something we have a passion for. Again, once you make your opinion known, you don't have to say anything else.

This could possibly effect every major conference west of the SEC except the Big Ten (probably more north) and the PAC 10. If someone doesn't agree, fine. If that opinion is already known, what is the purpose of reading the thread and commenting further?

[IREFU2]

I think we need to close this thread until there are definate answers and not speculation.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by tomegun
If it is just your opinion, let everyone else discuss it without your input. We know what your opinion is so now you don't have to commment on it.

Tommy, I have been here a long time. If you do not like what is discussed, do not come here. I cannot tell anyone what not to discuss. If you do not like the opinions that are said here, once again this is not the place for you. I asked you a question and we shared opinions. I will continue to share my opinion in any thread I choose to. And I know many other people will share their opinion when they like. That is what people do.

Originally posted by tomegun
I deleted the previous post because I wanted to. I don't have to offer you any other explaination. It shouldn't be any concern to you why I did it anyway. You made your opinion known in that thread so your opinion isn't needed in this one.

You deleted the pose because you "wanted to." You also got mad because many did not share your opinion on the issue. It was not like I was the only one that asked you how this was such a big deal?

Originally posted by tomegun
I think most of us know this isn't life or death. We just talk about something we have a passion for. Again, once you make your opinion known, you don't have to say anything else.

I will share my opinion on any subject at any time I feel like it. If you do not want to hear my opinion or any other opinion that bothers you, you will either have to deal with it or find somewhere else to have your conversations.

Originally posted by tomegun
This could possibly effect every major conference west of the SEC except the Big Ten (probably more north) and the PAC 10. If someone doesn't agree, fine. If that opinion is already known, what is the purpose of reading the thread and commenting further?

THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING. It might affect every conference and it might not. We will see wont we. Not sure why it is a problem. Funny, I have not read any articles that suggested such a thing. I have not talked to any officials that feel that way. Oh well.

Peace

[tomegun]

I think I have been here a little longer than you according to the date we registered. I know what I'm getting into and you are a little different.

I said what I have to say and then you say what you have to say. By this time we all know that you can't see how it is going to impact anyone outside the SEC. I think the conversation continued without you and your opinion. Once again, you felt like you needed to insert the opinion you already stated. Why?

You keep pointing out that you aren't working in the Big Ten or on the cusp of it. I guess that shows how much you know since the supervisor, and the way they operate, have a HUGE impact on whether someone IS on the cusp of getting into a conference or not.

I had some more to say but I realized you have your opinion and I have mine. I can't tell you what to say or anything like that (like you pointed out). Whatever.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by tomegun
I think I have been here a little longer than you according to the date we registered. I know what I'm getting into and you are a little different.

I said what I have to say and then you say what you have to say. By this time we all know that you can't see how it is going to impact anyone outside the SEC. I think the conversation continued without you and your opinion. Once again, you felt like you needed to insert the opinion you already stated. Why?

Is this not a free country? Did I violate any codes of conduct on this site by sharing my opinion? You must think we are in Cuba and this is communism. I can share any opinion I like and involve myself in any conversation I choose to. That also would apply to anyone else that has an opinion. I do not see you telling others (I know I do not do that) to not comment in threads on this very public forum.

Originally posted by tomegun
You keep pointing out that you aren't working in the Big Ten or on the cusp of it. I guess that shows how much you know since the supervisor, and the way they operate, have a HUGE impact on whether someone IS on the cusp of getting into a conference or not.

I had some more to say but I realized you have your opinion and I have mine. I can't tell you what to say or anything like that (like you pointed out). Whatever.

Tommy, I live in an area where Big Ten officials are all over the place. I not only know D1 Women officials, I know D1 Men's officials as well. I attended camps these officials run. I attended a camp last summer where a D1 coordinator of a mid-major conference ran a one day camp to evaluate officials for all his conferences ranging from JUCO, D3, D2 and his D1 league. His presentation to the officials in attendance to the camp was all about what it took to get to the Division 1 level and how his conference fit in that equation. He did not discuss mechanics or philosophy of officiating. He only discussed the process of how he hires D1 officials and how his smaller conferences are used. I have a mentor that lives in my town and I have worked with many times who has worked D1 for many years and was on ESPN a week ago Saturday. I have talked to him extensively about working college basketball and going to some higher profile camps. I am not speaking from a place where I am completely unaware of what goes on around here. I also have many friends that attend camps on a regular basis and are trying very hard to get to that level. I work HS for 2 guys that once worked in the Big Ten and I did as of 2 years ago work for an officials that just last year was in a NCAA Regional Championship Game until he stopped assigning that HS conference a couple of years ago. So I might not be personally on the verge of D1 greatness, but I talk to many officials that work that level and talk a lot about their situations and how those assignors change things.

The problem Tommy is you are so close to the situation you are not worried that you will be on the outside looking in. I can tell you that there are not many officials in my area that even consider the SEC as a realistic possibility to work basketball games. So what happens with the SEC (unless they change the entire assigning process with regional assignors) is not a "major issue" for officials here. We do not have an "Official's Development Program" here. The conferences around here do not use the same officials as a philosophy like the SEC and the ACC did over the last few years. So if you do not like what I have to say about that, you will have to deal with it.

I just asked how this was going to be such a big deal and you are all worried that what I have said is going to really matter. Tommy, I have no idea as you do not have any idea what is really going to happen with this situation. Stop trying to tell everyone that we should agree with your opinion on how big this is.


Peace

[ChuckElias]

Yawn.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Yawn.

Is that your personal opinion?

[IREFU2]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Yawn.

I concur!

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Is that your personal opinion?

What is this? Cuba? I can't even yawn anymore? Just because they don't yawn in your part of the country doesn't have any effect on how people yawn in my part of the country. If you don't want to yawn, fine. But last time I checked, this was a discussion forum. If you don't want to discuss my yawn, then just don't reply.

Sorry about that. I'll send you a donut to make up for it.

[tomegun]

Originally posted by IREFU2

I concur!

At this point, I concur too!