Question

[ATXCoach]

Another post to show my ignorance

What are all the rules associated with a player going out of bounds and back in.

Ex:

1) A1 is out of bounds, A2 passes to A1 - what does A1 need to do to be able to catch the ball legally?

2) A1 dribbling up the sideline, B1, sets for a charge but leaves a little room, A1 dribbles ball beside B1 inbounds, runs out of bounds never touching the ball, what does dribbler have to do to reestablish and continue his dribble, if possible?

3) any other strange plays?

[Ref Daddy]

Originally posted by ATXCoach
Another post to show my ignorance

What are all the rules associated with a player going out of bounds and back in.

Ex:

1) A1 is out of bounds, A2 passes to A1 - what does A1 need to do to be able to catch the ball legally?

2) A1 dribbling up the sideline, B1, sets for a charge but leaves a little room, A1 dribbles ball beside B1 inbounds, runs out of bounds never touching the ball, what does dribbler have to do to reestablish and continue his dribble, if possible?

3) any other strange plays?

1)POI for 2005. Player A1 violated when s/he left the court for unauthorized reasons. Turnover at spot of violation.

2)SECTION 3 OUT OF BOUNDS
A player shall not cause the ball to go out of bounds.
NOTE: The dribbler has committed a violation if he/she steps on or outside a boundary, even though he/she is not touching the ball while he/she is out of bounds.


3)Their are all sorts of strange occurrances. Scan the Forum for today's..

[ATXCoach]

Ref Daddy,

#1 Let's assume s/he missed a layup and momentum carried out of bounds and ball get batted toward her/him, what to do to reestablish?

#2 So if a dribbler is going to charge and tries to avoid a foul, s/he cannot pass and run out of bounds to avoid the foul.

On the POI, what constiutes "unauthorized"? This rules been around a while hasn't it? How was it being abused so much that it became a POI?

[Ref Daddy]

Originally posted by ATXCoach
Ref Daddy,

#1 Let's assume s/he missed a layup and momentum carried out of bounds and ball get batted toward her/him, what to do to reestablish?

#2 So if a dribbler is going to charge and tries to avoid a foul, s/he cannot pass and run out of bounds to avoid the foul.

On the POI, what constiutes "unauthorized"? This rules been around a while hasn't it? How was it being abused so much that it became a POI?

1) To return involves "directly and immediatly returning to the court".

2) Correct. Intentionally leaving the court is the "unauthorized portion". If Defender has legal guarding position on the court - Offense is obligated to avoid. Leaving the court is a violation

3)Rule has been around. Last year it was a technical, this year (said earlier POI) its actually a rule change. No longer a technical but a loss of possession. Apparently it was "abused" or called too infrequently because of severity of the violation (2 shots and the ball previously). Change was to encourage it being called

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by ATXCoach
Ref Daddy,

#1 Let's assume s/he missed a layup and momentum carried out of bounds and ball get batted toward her/him, what to do to reestablish?

#2 So if a dribbler is going to charge and tries to avoid a foul, s/he cannot pass and run out of bounds to avoid the foul.

On the POI, what constiutes "unauthorized"? This rules been around a while hasn't it? How was it being abused so much that it became a POI?

#1 He has to be inbounds and not touching OOB.

#2 No. If the dribbler steps OOB while dribbling the ball, even if he is not touching the ball, it's still a violtaion. If the ball gets away, it would be an interrupted dribble and it wouldn't be an OOB violation for touching OOB. But if it was obvious to me that he went OOB to avoid the charge, then he violated by intentionally going OOB.

POI is point of interruption.

[Jimgolf]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy

1) A1 is out of bounds, A2 passes to A1 - what does A1 need to do to be able to catch the ball legally?

1)POI for 2005. Player A1 violated when s/he left the court for unauthorized reasons. Turnover at spot of violation.

[/B][/QUOTE]

Could A1 have inbounded the ball to A2 and therefore been OOB for an authorized reason?

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
POI is point of interruption.

How Tony explained everything is correct.

I just wish to highlight that Ref Daddy should have been writing POE instead of POI. Tony wrote above what POI means (a different new rule this season), POE means Points of Emphasis.

Every year the NFHS picks a few things that officials, coaches, ADs, need to stress for the betterment of the high school game. These items are called the POEs.

As was already noted the leaving the floor violation is actually a rule change for this season not a POE.

Leaving the floor for an unauthorized reason was a POE LAST SEASON when it was a technical foul. Apparently, it still wasn't called enough to satisfy the the NFHS people, so they changed the penalty to a violation this season.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Jimgolf

1)POI for 2005. Player A1 violated when s/he left the court for unauthorized reasons. Turnover at spot of violation.

Could A1 have inbounded the ball to A2 and therefore been OOB for an authorized reason? [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, or if we're talking about a throw-in after a made basket.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by ATXCoach
Ref Daddy,

#1 Let's assume s/he missed a layup and momentum carried out of bounds and ball get batted toward her/him, what to do to reestablish?

Too many people think that to "reestablish" you need two feet inbounds. That's not true.

If a player is touching OOB, s/he's OOB.

If a player is in the air, and last touched OOB, s/he's OOB.

If neither of the above is true, the player is inbounds.

[ATXCoach]

Thanks Bob,

So if standing out of bounds, to reestablish, you need one foot in and one foot up before touching the ball? or do both have to be reestablished inbounds (but not neccessarily on the ground) prior to touching the ball?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ATXCoach
Thanks Bob,

So if standing out of bounds, to reestablish, you need one foot in and one foot up before touching the ball? or do both have to be reestablished inbounds (but not neccessarily on the ground) prior to touching the ball?

One foot(or one anything ) in- nothing out means in-bounds status.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

One foot(or one anything ) in- nothing out means in-bounds status.

Hey, there's a good question:

If a player is standing on one hand, and that one hand is in-bounds, then that player has in-bounds status, right? Now, if that player is standing on two hands in-bounds and is also holding the ball between his legs, could that player legally walk down the floor on his hands without traveling?

Rules citation, please.

[SamIAm]

Originally posted by ATXCoach
Another post to show my ignorance

What are all the rules associated with a player going out of bounds and back in.

Ex:

1) A1 is out of bounds, A2 passes to A1 - what does A1 need to do to be able to catch the ball legally?

2) A1 dribbling up the sideline, B1, sets for a charge but leaves a little room, A1 dribbles ball beside B1 inbounds, runs out of bounds never touching the ball, what does dribbler have to do to reestablish and continue his dribble, if possible?

3) any other strange plays?

Probably not one of the answers you are looking for, but it does fit the limited info you provided in 1) - Nothing, if the pass is made along the endline and A2 is OOB after a made/awarded basket.

[Edited by SamIAm on Dec 16th, 2005 at 10:52 AM]

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Hey, there's a good question:

If a player is standing on one hand, and that one hand is in-bounds, then that player has in-bounds status, right? Now, if that player is standing on two hands in-bounds and is also holding the ball between his legs, could that player legally walk down the floor on his hands without traveling?

Rules citation, please.

Under the NCAA rules that player committed a kicked ball violation, before they traveled with their hands.