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mick Wed Dec 14, 2005 07:16pm
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Varsity game, my partner is a varsity rookie, 5th game. A1 makes a steal & has the entire court to go in for a layup. I'm the T & along ways from the basket (aleast 3/4 of the court). As A1 went in for a strong layup, B1 & B2 came in fast from the side of A1. <font color = red>A1 hangs onto his shot, while being twisted in the air from <b>little contact</b> from B1 or B2. A1 lands on both feet with the ball in his hands</font>, while B1 & B2 go flying across the floor on backs or bellies. My partner the L, blows the whistle, followed by "TRAVELING"... The gym is like a blender.

Now in the past, I've told many partners, many times before to never make a long distance call while I'm right on top of the play. Should I eat my own words and have made the 70' foul call on this rookie? Should I stop telling my partners this?

By the way, I didn't get involved in the layup. But then made things worse by called a foul right away on the other end on that same A1 layup player....... That also turned on the blender again.


BIG "O"
Let it go, "O". If you step in there, you'll destroy whatever credibility the rook has. Every call that he makes after that is gonna be viewed as wrong by the coaches and fans. Talk to him after, if you think it will help him. If you step in long-distance, you're hurting him. It's all part of a rookie's learning process. We all were there once too.
Rook didn't see it, JR.
Bad angle.
Too close.
I'll help. :)
mick
On that particular type of play, I won't help, Mick. The shooter landed on his feet. If the defenders hadda put the shooter into the third row or onto his butt- hard, then maybe I might think about it. But not on a (also maybe) touch-foul from 70' feet away though. Jmo, but if you do that you're telling the world that the rook don't know what he's doing.
JR,
The [little] contact caused the shooter to twist in the air.
Looked like it coulda been enough, even from 70' away. ;)
mick

rainmaker Wed Dec 14, 2005 07:19pm
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Originally posted by blindzebra
My question is why if A1 has the entire court to go after the steal, why is the varsity vet still 70' away?

A1 must really have some wheels to go 70+ feet to your 15.
BZ -- I think the rookie was new lead, O was new trail. O was 70 feet away from the call, rookie was close to it. O was questioning whether O should have called a foul from 70 feet, when it was clearly rookie's call, and O has a hard and fast rule not to do what he now wishes he could do.

Dan_ref Wed Dec 14, 2005 07:30pm
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Originally posted by blindzebra
My question is why if A1 has the entire court to go after the steal, why is the varsity vet still 70' away?
Maybe he didn't want to leave the other 7 players behind him?

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 14, 2005 07:52pm
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Originally posted by mick
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JR,
The [little] contact caused the shooter to twist in the air.
Looked like it coulda been enough, even from 70' away. ;)
mick
[/B][/QUOTE]From 70' away though, how can you tell who caused the contact that made the shooter twist-- the shooter or one of the defenders?

If you can, you're a better man than I am, Gunga Din. :D

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 14, 2005 07:54pm
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by blindzebra
My question is why if A1 has the entire court to go after the steal, why is the varsity vet still 70' away?
Maybe he didn't want to leave the other 7 players behind him?
Maybe he stopped for a donut?

Dan_ref Wed Dec 14, 2005 07:57pm
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by mick
JR,
The [little] contact caused the shooter to twist in the air.
Looked like it coulda been enough, even from 70' away. ;)
mick
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From 70' away though, how can you tell who caused the contact that made the shooter twist-- the shooter or one of the defenders?

If you can, you're a better man than I am, Gunga Din. :D [/B][/QUOTE]

Just to be clear...70' away is below the OTHER free throw line.


Dan_ref Wed Dec 14, 2005 07:58pm
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by blindzebra
My question is why if A1 has the entire court to go after the steal, why is the varsity vet still 70' away?
Maybe he didn't want to leave the other 7 players behind him?
Maybe he stopped for a donut?
Maybe he had to check his email to see if a donut was available??

blindzebra Wed Dec 14, 2005 09:00pm
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Originally posted by mick
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My question is why if A1 has the entire court to go after the steal, why is the varsity vet still 70' away?

A1 must really have some wheels to go 70+ feet to your 15.
Quick steal near division line.
"A1 makes a steal & has the entire court to go in for a layup."

Hmmmm?

blindzebra Wed Dec 14, 2005 09:06pm
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by blindzebra
My question is why if A1 has the entire court to go after the steal, why is the varsity vet still 70' away?

A1 must really have some wheels to go 70+ feet to your 15.
BZ -- I think the rookie was new lead, O was new trail. O was 70 feet away from the call, rookie was close to it. O was questioning whether O should have called a foul from 70 feet, when it was clearly rookie's call, and O has a hard and fast rule not to do what he now wishes he could do.
Court is 84 feet, old lead covered less than 15 feet between steal and contact.

Perhaps if varsity vet was running that 70' foot long call becomes a 50 foot long call with the ability to cut that down to 30 feet while closing with a sell.;)

mick Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:22pm
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by blindzebra
My question is why if A1 has the entire court to go after the steal, why is the varsity vet still 70' away?
Maybe he didn't want to leave the other 7 players behind him?
Maybe he stopped for a donut?
Maybe he had to check his email to see if a donut was available??
Well, ...I can see <I>part of a</I> povaticia on my kitchen table 20' away.
mick

[Edited by mick on Dec 14th, 2005 at 10:26 PM]

Dan_ref Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:25pm
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Originally posted by blindzebra
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by blindzebra
My question is why if A1 has the entire court to go after the steal, why is the varsity vet still 70' away?

A1 must really have some wheels to go 70+ feet to your 15.
Quick steal near division line.
"A1 makes a steal & has the entire court to go in for a layup."

Hmmmm?
Oooohhh...let's do this again!

Maybe he didn't want to leave the other 7 players behind him?

mick Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:32pm
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by blindzebra
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by blindzebra
My question is why if A1 has the entire court to go after the steal, why is the varsity vet still 70' away?

A1 must really have some wheels to go 70+ feet to your 15.
Quick steal near division line.
"A1 makes a steal & has the entire court to go in for a layup."

Hmmmm?
Oooohhh...let's do this again!

Maybe he didn't want to leave the other 7 players behind him?
JR and Dan.
Old lead was concentrating on post play as A1 took the ball on the dead run near the division line.
New trail whipped up the side, saw the contact.
Why can't you guys see that? Yer 600-1,000 miles closer than I am!
Geez!
mick

Dan_ref Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:38pm
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by blindzebra
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by blindzebra
My question is why if A1 has the entire court to go after the steal, why is the varsity vet still 70' away?

A1 must really have some wheels to go 70+ feet to your 15.
Quick steal near division line.
"A1 makes a steal & has the entire court to go in for a layup."

Hmmmm?
Oooohhh...let's do this again!

Maybe he didn't want to leave the other 7 players behind him?
JR and Dan.
Old lead was concentrating on post play as A1 took the ball on the dead run near the division line.
New trail whipped up the side, saw the contact.
Why can't you guys see that? Yer 600-1,000 miles closer than I am!
Geez!
mick
Not me Mick.

If I'm L when B1 steals the ball & heads down court I'm gonna hang back with the other players hanging back.

Let the new L hauls @ss down court to make his call, that's what he's getting paid to do. And his call aint none of my business.

I'm getting paid to make sure A5 doesn't cold-cock B5 in the backcourt. Or at least witness it.

mick Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:43pm
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by blindzebra
My question is why if A1 has the entire court to go after the steal, why is the varsity vet still 70' away?

A1 must really have some wheels to go 70+ feet to your 15.
Quick steal near division line.
"A1 makes a steal & has the entire court to go in for a layup."

Hmmmm?
Oooohhh...let's do this again!

Maybe he didn't want to leave the other 7 players behind him?
JR and Dan.
Old lead was concentrating on post play as A1 took the ball on the dead run near the division line.
New trail whipped up the side, saw the contact.
Why can't you guys see that? Yer 600-1,000 miles closer than I am!
Geez!
mick
Not me Mick.

If I'm L when B1 steals the ball & heads down court I'm gonna hang back with the other players hanging back.

Let the new L hauls @ss down court to make his call, that's what he's getting paid to do. And his call aint none of my business.

I'm getting paid to make sure A5 doesn't cold-cock B5 in the backcourt. Or at least witness it.
Chuck coulda got there.

Dan_ref Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:51pm
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by blindzebra
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by blindzebra
My question is why if A1 has the entire court to go after the steal, why is the varsity vet still 70' away?

A1 must really have some wheels to go 70+ feet to your 15.
Quick steal near division line.
"A1 makes a steal & has the entire court to go in for a layup."

Hmmmm?
Oooohhh...let's do this again!

Maybe he didn't want to leave the other 7 players behind him?
JR and Dan.
Old lead was concentrating on post play as A1 took the ball on the dead run near the division line.
New trail whipped up the side, saw the contact.
Why can't you guys see that? Yer 600-1,000 miles closer than I am!
Geez!
mick
Not me Mick.

If I'm L when B1 steals the ball & heads down court I'm gonna hang back with the other players hanging back.

Let the new L hauls @ss down court to make his call, that's what he's getting paid to do. And his call aint none of my business.

I'm getting paid to make sure A5 doesn't cold-cock B5 in the backcourt. Or at least witness it.
Chuck coulda got there.
Geeze Mick, *I* coulda got there.

If Chuck was transitioning to new L he would have beat everyone down court.

If he was new T he would have hung back with the rest of the players to make sure they played fair. And let the new L do his job.


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