Easy with the T's????

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I can't seem to make this call without the coach insisting it's supposed to be a warning first. <>

Wow... a coach that even knows there's supposed to be a warning for something, even if they think its for the wrong thing? I'm impressed

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

Wow... a coach that even knows there's supposed to be a warning for something, even if they think its for the wrong thing? I'm impressed

Actually, I find that every coach thinks there should be a warning in this sitch; mostly b/c they don't want the T.

[drothamel]

Every coach is different, and every official is different. On both sides of the lines, people have different tolerance levels, and different abilities to communitcate. For me, I prefer to try and work with the coaches as much as I can, and let them know where the line is. I let them know once they have gotten close to the line, and I make sure to let them know once they have crossed it.

I think that one thing many officials are not aware of is how their communication with one coach may affect the other coach in a game. You can't go talking to team A's coach every time down the floor and not expect the team B's coach to get a bit paranoid about it. Then, because the official is getting tired to hearing from team A's coach, his tolerance level is reached, and he whacks team B's coach as soon as he says something.

Body language, consistency within a crew, table mechanics, etc. All of these things contribute to the atmosphere within a game. You can either use them to create an atmosphere of control, or you can really mess things up. It is extremely important to be aware of how all of your actions are perceived by coaches and players. More awareness on the part of an official will often lead to less situations that require T's.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by FrankHtown
I had a crappy T last night. Girl's Varsity. Decent level of play. First three minutes of the game. Team A inbounding on side line right by scorer's table. Team B player, defending the throw in, jumps at least 8 inches out of bounds, towards the thrower. I stop play, issue a delay warning against Team A. Bounce the ball to A for throw-in. B player...second jump is out of bounds, in the thrower's face...right after her coach had told her to get back. I called the T. Just as a review for all, it counts as a Team Technical,..goes against team foul count, but not assessed to a player (my partners said it should count towards player...we told both coaches we would confirm at half time, and adjust if necessary).

At a break, my partners said that's one T you probably should ignore, and I said...you know...that is a crummy way to get a T, and if it was on the far side of the court, I might have been a little more patient, but being right in front of the scorer's table, with both coaches having a clear view of the delay warning, and the subsequent violation, how could I maintain any credibility if I let it slide.

Can't agree with that philosophy either. That ain't a crappy "T" at all imo. If the defender gained any kind of an advantage on the first throw-in by goin OOB, then a warning is the proper and righteous call. If the defender subsequently completely ignores your warning and does it again, then that defender deserves the "T" for just being plain (or plane) stoopid. She just basically said "Screw you, ref. I'm gonna do what I want". It doesn't matter what side of the court it happened on either. Whether a coach can see a call should never, ever be a factor in whether that call should be made or not.

Your partners are just looking for a reason not to call a "T" imo. That's wrong.

[zebraman]

Originally posted by FrankHtown
I had a crappy T last night. Girl's Varsity. Decent level of play. First three minutes of the game. Team A inbounding on side line right by scorer's table. Team B player, defending the throw in, jumps at least 8 inches out of bounds, towards the thrower. I stop play, issue a delay warning against Team A. Bounce the ball to A for throw-in. B player...second jump is out of bounds, in the thrower's face...right after her coach had told her to get back. I called the T. Just as a review for all, it counts as a Team Technical,..goes against team foul count, but not assessed to a player (my partners said it should count towards player...we told both coaches we would confirm at half time, and adjust if necessary).

At a break, my partners said that's one T you probably should ignore, and I said...you know...that is a crummy way to get a T, and if it was on the far side of the court, I might have been a little more patient, but being right in front of the scorer's table, with both coaches having a clear view of the delay warning, and the subsequent violation, how could I maintain any credibility if I let it slide.

I do have to mention, however, not one defender for either team got in a thrower's face after that.

No problem with that T Frank, but just a quick question. Before giving the ball to team A for the throw-in after the warning, did you specifically address player B1? I know you went to the table and gave a warning, but it sounds like B1 doesn't have the rule knowledge that we like varsity players to have. I think if you had said, "hey #32, you can't break this plane. If you do it again it will be a technical foul and the other team will get two free throws," it may have prevented it.

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[Rich]

Originally posted by Forksref

Just because a thread about T's shows up doesn't mean a lot of T's are given out. I give about 1-2 a season and that's it. I use the "stop sign" a lot and that works most of the time.

Another technique I find effective is listening and takling to the coach -- until he demonstrates that despite my good faith effort he has no interest in talking and listening. I mean, REALLY stand there and listen and then look him in the eye and talk to him. Use his first name and treat him like a human being. Encourage him to use your first name by making sure he gets it at the pregame. My partner(s) and I never walk on the floor without knowing the coaches' first names.

Lower level coaches haven't learned how to communicate with officials.....and many lower level officials haven't learned how to communicate with coaches.

The combination usually yields one of two scenarios when I'm sitting in the stands (watching before the varsity game):

(1) The officials take an enormous amount of crap and nothing is done -- a few weeks ago I saw a coach come out to the three point line and ream out a newer official for almost the entire timeout. I wanted to hide, it was so bad.

(2) Whack-a-thon.

Frankly, at the lower levels, I'd rather see (2) than (1). And at the upper levels, most coaches know that the behavior I described above would result in a quick T, so they don't act that way.

I worked 1 JV game last season as a last minute favor, and about five minutes in I ended up giving a coach a one-sided conversation about my expectations regarding his behavior.

No technical, although I would've been justified, but I just didn't think he understood how to act as a head coach because no official prior had laid down their expectations.

I used his name, talked to him like an adult, but let him know that screaming out every travel, every foul, etc., that he thought we missed simply wouldn't be tolerated. He stopped immediately. He thanked me after the game, which he lost.

Not that I don't call technicals.....because I certainly do, but I don't relish them the way I (unfortunately) did 15 or so years ago.

--Rich

[ace]

A coach kicks a chair (not really anywhere but just kicks it)- his teams getting the crap kicked out of them. Should I have wacked him? I just looked at him with that "You ok?" look.... and he quickly fixed the chair and apologized.

I will say this.
Since I've graduated to calling varsity games on a regular basis I find my sweet trigger has gotten harder to fire. I'm more apt to listen to a coach at all levels, and I'm more apt to tell a coach I dont particular care for the fact he's yelling every five seconds about something (at the sub-varsity level)

Had a JV team playing a Varsity team. The JV coach was constantly complaining. I finally asked him
"Has the other coach been yelling at us the whole time?"
"No sir."
"Did your varsity coach yell at us the whole game?"
"No sir."
"Why are you constnatly yelling at us?"
"I'm not used to being a Varsity type situation"
"well can we work on that?"
"sure man, i didnt even notice it."


Course it didnt help when my partner told him that he wasnt going to get a certain call because this was a varsity game.

Sometime you just have to wonder.

[drinkeii]

I give an occasional T for various things, as required by the rules. In many cases, I will try to talk to the person and get them to settle before a T becomes necessary, but some situations just warrant it.

I had a coach a few weeks ago that, when I told him very clearly that I was tired of listening to him complain about stuff and question every call or no-call... I said "Coach... That's ENOUGH!" - he said "No, it's not." - hmmm - wrong answer. That got a T. He was fine after that.

I've found that in most cases, if I draw a line in the sand very clearly, I don't feel in any way bad about assessing the T if the coach or player chooses to cross it.

[Chess Ref]

I have been doing this 2 years. I work the Frosh/JV circuit. I have sat and watched lots,lots of other officials at all levels. Including DI up close and personal.
Generally speaking my perception is the higher the level the less persistent the behavior is. I am not saying Varsity coaches don't act up but it is not as persistent as the lower levels. So when i started out giving a T was a big deal for me. Now I don't give them the coaches earn them. I am all for working with and communicating with the coaches but THEY have to give me something to work with.
I don't get much of the personal or profane but LOTS of the persistent stuff. At the levels I work my perception is most of these coaches are clueless. So they blame me for that missed travel call in the 1st Qtr that caused them to fall behind by 35 at halftime. I would love to practice my communication skills but you gotta give me something to work with. So instead I get to practice

1. I'm looking for it coach
2. I heard you coach
3. That's it coach
4. STOP sign
5. T

And my ratings went through the roof when i gave out more T's. Coincidence I dunno.

[Jimgolf]

I like JRutledge's approach here. The good official stays in control of the game. Technical fouls are part of an arsenal, not the sole weapon.

The occasional theatrical coach should be defused before he can cost his team the game. This is more in keeping with the role of an official to be an enabler more than an enforcer.

[deecee]

A few officials (actually most of them) that do college D1, D2 and D3 have told me that the T is their last option. Also they might average 1 T every 2 years. I seem to notice that the officials that have been doing high level games and I mean beyond HS for the most part have very FEW T's to their name and they work with the coaches rather than against them. These guys probably have at least 5-6 years minimum at the college level and they keep getting good games because they get along with the coaches and they work with them.

One guy told me at camp -- "Give a coach a long enough rope to hang himself where when he's done everyone in the gym knows exactly what and why." (not exact but almost)

Couple years ago a coach might have gotten a T from me for saying "that was a $hi..ty call" -- now thats just his way of expressing his opinion. Of course his delivery would be taken into account -- did he scream it across the gym or say it to me as i was running by.

[Corndog89]

Originally Posted by ace

Since I've graduated to calling varsity games on a regular basis I find my sweet trigger has gotten harder to fire.

What? What the hell is a "sweet trigger"? If I'm your assignor or partner and you have a pet name for calling a tech, I would be nervous.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Corndog89

What? What the hell is a "sweet trigger"? If I'm your assignor or partner and you have a pet name for calling a tech, I would be nervous.

He's talking about his own personal tolerance level, not a technical foul.

Why would you be nervous anyway if someone had a pet name for a "T"?

[LarryS]

This weekend I found myself working with a well respected veteran official from my chapter at a local tournament. Before our games started we were chatting and I mentioned that my focus this summer was managing coaches and avoiding T’s. He told me he felt that was one of his strengths and suggested I let him handle most of the interaction with the coaches during our first 3 game set and take mental notes…then we would talk during our break and change roles during the second 3 game set.

The first thing I noticed was he spoke softly and slowly when addressing the coaches. Whenever a coached questioned a call, the most popular responses were “I saw it differently coach.” “Looked different from my angle” “I hear you coach” and “We’ll watch for it.” One coached asked a question during play and he said “I’ll get with you next dead ball coach.” Another asked a question about a call after he reported so he just moved toward the division line, kept facing the lane and gave a quick answer.

During our break, we talked about what he had done. I tried the same tools he used, even though I knew his demeanor may have been the key. I was surprised at how well they calmed the coaches down. I had used the same phrases in the past with less success. I really think it was the softer voice and slower cadence. It is hard for a coach to escalate things when you are quite and calm.

As an aside, during our break I also asked him if he had any feedback about my work…mentioning that I was really aiming to convince the assignment secretary to give me more varsity. We had already covered camps…I’m going to two where the assignment secretary will be present to watch our chapter guys in attendance. He said that he felt I would have a lot better schedule this year…My game calling had improved…my mechanics were improving…my weight lose was really showing and, as a result, I moved better on the floor. Since I felt good about the review that may have played a part in how things went with the coaches…self confidence goes a long way.

[Corndog89]

Originally Posted by ace
"Since I've graduated to calling varsity games on a regular basis I find my sweet trigger has gotten harder to fire."

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

He's talking about his own personal tolerance level, not a technical foul.

Why would you be nervous anyway if someone had a pet name for a "T"?

Is he? I really didn't know what he was referring to; "sweet trigger" sounded like a nickname for a gun, like "Old Betsy" or the "Peacemaker" or something else goofy like that. And "to fire" demonstrates an action on his part...to fire his T gun?? Plus it sounds like since moving up to varsity perhaps he's a bit intimidated..."I find my sweet trigger has gotten harder to fire". Does that mean it's easier to "fire" away at a lower level coach? That varsity coaches won't tolerate the firing? Again, I don't know...what does he mean? I think only Ace can answer that.

As for the nervousness, anytime a person in a position of authority (e.g., a sports official) feels a need to draw attention to him or herself with something like a cute nickname, it makes me wonder either about his/her motives or sense of security. If you officiate to be noticed, you're much more likely to make questionable or iffy calls. Quick or excessive T's, looking for obscure calls to demonstrate a superior knowledge of the rules, theatrical or demonstrative mechanics on a routine basis (i.e., when not necessary to sell a call), creation of cool personna, etc...those characteristics in a partner make me nervous.

A good example from when I called in Florida a few years ago. There was a father-son combo who worked in our association. The father was a mediocre official at best, but he loved being the center of attention. He would probably average 15-20 T's in a normal 20 game HS varsity season. After calling a T he would be very self-righteous, proclaiming that he didn't want to call the T, but he really had no choice. Yet I can't recall a single T that he called that needed to be called. Coaches hated to have him call their games, and partners hated working with him. He had to be noticed. He was a very insecure man.

His son, 19 years old at the time, had the potential to be a very good official, except that he looked to his father as a role model. When the son could be kept away from the dad for a few weeks at a time, he would listen to more grounded officials and begin to develop good habits. But one game with dad (or one other similar official in the assoc) and all the good habits would evaporate. There was one small town that had produced 5 state champions in about a 10-12 year period. Very good, very knowledgeable, very vocal fans...I loved calling there. For some reason, the son was assigned 4-5 games there over about a 3-week period. The fans there would ride him mercilessly because he made too many hard-to-understand calls and drew attention to himself. Toward the end of the 3-week run I had a game with him there. I was talking with him before our game and he said he had developed a cheering section there, that they really liked him. He needed approval and to be liked above all else...just like his dad in the long run. He made me nervous because I never knew what he was going to do.

What does have to do with "sweet trigger"? Sounds to me like he may be a guy who needs to be seen and recognized as something special. Just makes me nervous.