Messy situation, rule mistake

[RookieDude]

Originally posted by zebraman
As soon as we get in the locker room, I get out the case book and educate Joe. He gets quiet, sheepish, then apologizes. As soon as we get out for the 2nd half, he apologizes to both coaches.

Z...me and a couple other officials talked about this play on the way to our game last night. One of the officials actually had something similar happen to him when he was coaching his son's AAU team. The only thing different was that it was at the end of the game...and he was able to convince the official to shoot the FT's with .2 sec left.

We came up with an idea. Since the R found out he was mistaken...how about having the kid that didn't get his FT's go ahead and shoot them before the second half starts...then start the second half with the usual AP arrow. You don't get the .2 playing time...but, at least the kid gets his shots, and you could sell it as a correctable error to the other coach. (Afterall, no time has run off the clock since the error.)

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by rainmaker


I would agree with all of the above...about the "real" Joe and the "imaginary" Joe...sometimes it comes down to which battle you think you can win. In this case, all the information was given and the partner wouldn't listen - let him/her take the crap that hits the fan later. I would make certain that the assignor heard about it from me BEFORE hearing about it from coaches.

Just curious, Rocky (see related thread about "tattling"), what would you say to the assignor? I mean specifically, what actual words would you say? [/B][/QUOTE]

Juulie, you can read my generic response in the tattling thread...in this specific instance, I would call the supervisor and say "Dave, we had a problem tonight, and I'm sure you're gonna hear from the schools." Then I would explain it exactly the way it happened - just the facts, no opinions or comments added...after the facts are in, the supervisor will ask questions and I will answer them absolutely honestly - including ones about "Why didn't you stop him, DJ?" And there will be questions...as I said in the other post, it's not to get anyone in trouble, but the supervisor needs to know BEFORE the schools start calling and yelling about it.

[zebraman]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RookieDude
[B]

Originally posted by zebraman


We came up with an idea. Since the R found out he was mistaken...how about having the kid that didn't get his FT's go ahead and shoot them before the second half starts...then start the second half with the usual AP arrow. You don't get the .2 playing time...but, at least the kid gets his shots, and you could sell it as a correctable error to the other coach. (Afterall, no time has run off the clock since the error.)

I didn't make the original post as clear as I should have. We did shoot the one-and-one. However, we shot it with the lane cleared rather than with players along the lane. Rather than finishing the final .2, we left the floor after the free throws.

Z

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by rockyroad

Juulie, you can read my generic response in the tattling thread...in this specific instance, I would call the supervisor and say "Dave, we had a problem tonight, and I'm sure you're gonna hear from the schools." Then I would explain it exactly the way it happened - just the facts, no opinions or comments added...after the facts are in, the supervisor will ask questions and I will answer them absolutely honestly - including ones about "Why didn't you stop him, DJ?" And there will be questions...as I said in the other post, it's not to get anyone in trouble, but the supervisor needs to know BEFORE the schools start calling and yelling about it.

I think a better approach in this case might be to tell the guy who made the mistake that he needs to call the assignor ASAP and explain. He was the R, he should explain his decision to the boss.

I would only call if he refused, and I would follow up with him the next day to make sure he did call & find out what the assignor said.

But I don't think I would initiate a call without that discussion.

[Edited by Dan_ref on Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:35 PM]

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

I think a better approach in this case might be to tell the guy who made the mistake that he needs to call the assignor ASAP and explain. He was the R, he should explain his decision to the boss.

I would only call if he refused, and I would follow up with him the next day to make sure he did call & find out what the assignor said.

But I don't think I would initiate a call without that discussion.

[Edited by Dan_ref on Dec 13th, 2005 at 12:35 PM]

Good point, Dan...I would give him the chance to make the first call, but I still think I'm calling too, just to make sure...had too many times where the partner says yes, but doesn't and then I get a call from the supervisor who is angry that they had no warning before the schools started calling. Again, my call is not to get anyone in trouble, just to alert the supervisor...

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by rockyroad

Good point, Dan...I would give him the chance to make the first call, but I still think I'm calling too, just to make sure...had too many times where the partner says yes, but doesn't and then I get a call from the supervisor who is angry that they had no warning before the schools started calling. Again, my call is not to get anyone in trouble, just to alert the supervisor...

Yep, we're completely on the same page. Trust but verify. And it's not at all about turning someone in, it's to alert the supervisor.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally posted by tomegun

How many timeouts do officials have?

Unlimited, but they are only allowed to be 7.2 seconds each.