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Originally posted by Camron Rust

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Originally posted by rockyroad
Speaking as a teacher myself, I would have to say that I am not necessarily "underpaid"...we pay our bills. We will never be rich. I love what I do (most days)...also, I am paid year-round, they just pro-rate my 185 day salary over a full 12 months, and rake in the interest the money earns in a bank account waiting to be paid to me. Oh well...but to say that I am overpaid is ridiculous. If I could charge the hourly rate charged by most day-care providers in this area, I would be making around $92,000 per year (for the 180 days, based on number of students and hours they are in my "care")...so whoever it was that siad we are overpaid is seriously on drugs...

And btw, my wife (also a teacher) and I home-schooled our children for several years also, and while it has advantages, there are some serious drawbacks there also...

I agree that some teachers are underpaid. It is a sad day when a teacher is paid not for the quality of the teaching but for the number of years on the job. My children have had teachers that were not at all good and others that were great. The one that was not very good made a noticable amount more than the others because she had been there longer. This is the effect of teacher's unions. They protect the bad and limit the good.

The other main issue regarding money is not so much the amont teachers are paid but the amount of revenue consumed by the school. In our school district, the average classroom size is 27 and the amount spent per student by the school system for all costs is $10,000 per student (that includes benefits, salarys, capital costs, supplies, etc.) That's $270,000 per classroom. If teachers are only getting $40,000, I'd like to know where the other $230,000 is going???? The buildings don't cost that much. I'd expect the largest cost to the the teachers but they're not even 20% of the total.

I agree with what you have written. Yet, I wouldn't be surprised if you were to find tax payer monies being misappropriated while viewing your school districts annual financial reports and to notice extremely high salaries for non-teacher positions, including the districts superintendents, board members, etc.

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Originally posted by johnny1784

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Originally posted by Camron Rust

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Originally posted by rockyroad
Speaking as a teacher myself, I would have to say that I am not necessarily "underpaid"...we pay our bills. We will never be rich. I love what I do (most days)...also, I am paid year-round, they just pro-rate my 185 day salary over a full 12 months, and rake in the interest the money earns in a bank account waiting to be paid to me. Oh well...but to say that I am overpaid is ridiculous. If I could charge the hourly rate charged by most day-care providers in this area, I would be making around $92,000 per year (for the 180 days, based on number of students and hours they are in my "care")...so whoever it was that siad we are overpaid is seriously on drugs...

And btw, my wife (also a teacher) and I home-schooled our children for several years also, and while it has advantages, there are some serious drawbacks there also...

I agree that some teachers are underpaid. It is a sad day when a teacher is paid not for the quality of the teaching but for the number of years on the job. My children have had teachers that were not at all good and others that were great. The one that was not very good made a noticable amount more than the others because she had been there longer. This is the effect of teacher's unions. They protect the bad and limit the good.

The other main issue regarding money is not so much the amont teachers are paid but the amount of revenue consumed by the school. In our school district, the average classroom size is 27 and the amount spent per student by the school system for all costs is $10,000 per student (that includes benefits, salarys, capital costs, supplies, etc.) That's $270,000 per classroom. If teachers are only getting $40,000, I'd like to know where the other $230,000 is going???? The buildings don't cost that much. I'd expect the largest cost to the the teachers but they're not even 20% of the total.

I agree with what you have written. Yet, I wouldn't be surprised if you were to find tax payer monies being misappropriated while viewing your school districts annual financial reports and to notice extremely high salaries for non-teacher positions, including the districts superintendents, board members, etc.

Do you have any idea how much education is required to be a district superintendent?

Do you realize that most board members are unpaid elected servants?

Bob is right, it's supply and demand. In many places there seems to be a short supply, though, and the teachers aren't being paid more to attract more teachers -- they just do with less.

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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

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Originally posted by johnny1784

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Originally posted by Camron Rust

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Originally posted by rockyroad
Speaking as a teacher myself, I would have to say that I am not necessarily "underpaid"...we pay our bills. We will never be rich. I love what I do (most days)...also, I am paid year-round, they just pro-rate my 185 day salary over a full 12 months, and rake in the interest the money earns in a bank account waiting to be paid to me. Oh well...but to say that I am overpaid is ridiculous. If I could charge the hourly rate charged by most day-care providers in this area, I would be making around $92,000 per year (for the 180 days, based on number of students and hours they are in my "care")...so whoever it was that siad we are overpaid is seriously on drugs...

And btw, my wife (also a teacher) and I home-schooled our children for several years also, and while it has advantages, there are some serious drawbacks there also...

I agree that some teachers are underpaid. It is a sad day when a teacher is paid not for the quality of the teaching but for the number of years on the job. My children have had teachers that were not at all good and others that were great. The one that was not very good made a noticable amount more than the others because she had been there longer. This is the effect of teacher's unions. They protect the bad and limit the good.

The other main issue regarding money is not so much the amont teachers are paid but the amount of revenue consumed by the school. In our school district, the average classroom size is 27 and the amount spent per student by the school system for all costs is $10,000 per student (that includes benefits, salarys, capital costs, supplies, etc.) That's $270,000 per classroom. If teachers are only getting $40,000, I'd like to know where the other $230,000 is going???? The buildings don't cost that much. I'd expect the largest cost to the the teachers but they're not even 20% of the total.

I agree with what you have written. Yet, I wouldn't be surprised if you were to find tax payer monies being misappropriated while viewing your school districts annual financial reports and to notice extremely high salaries for non-teacher positions, including the districts superintendents, board members, etc.

Do you have any idea how much education is required to be a district superintendent?

Do you realize that most board members are unpaid elected servants?

Bob is right, it's supply and demand. In many places there seems to be a short supply, though, and the teachers aren't being paid more to attract more teachers -- they just do with less.

E.g. requirements for a school district superintendent;

You can not pay more with monies you do not have.

They do not have to "just do with less". Do the math dude. Use the expected funds to supply the necessary teachers. Subtract a percentage of annual income from management (principles, superintendents, etc.) to accommodate hiring and retaining skilled teachers.

http://www.cde.ca.gov/ta/ac/sa/salaries0304.asp

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Julian Guthrie, OF THE SF EXAMINER STAFF

Probe of woman paid to fix sewing machines:

The San Francisco Unified School District has spent a half-million dollars over the last 10 years for a full-time sewing machine repair person, even though sewing programs had all but ended, The Examiner has learned.

The discovery has prompted a criminal investigation by the San Francisco district attorney's office and drawn sharp criticism from board members who question the district's ability to manage money and staff.

"This appears to be the worst example of a blatant misuse of public funds," said board member Juanita Owens. "I'm almost speechless. Why didn't a supervisor question how there could still be so many sewing machines? Sewing? I thought sewing classes ended in the '60s. Anyway, this calls for an investigation of personnel involved.

Our (incoming) Superintendent (Arlene Ackerman) needs to review the facts and, possibly, remove the managers who were involved."

Although only three of the district's 162 schools have sewing programs, district managers never questioned Mary Kay Baldwin's salary of nearly $50,000 a year. Every month, managers signed off on Baldwin's neatly written expense vouchers claiming she drove as many as 532 miles to repair machines at dozens of schools which don't have sewing machines. Never did anyone stop to ask: Sewing classes?

Baldwin, 51, resigned June 1, after independent auditors began investigating school district records. She is being investigated by the district attorney's office, a spokesperson confirmed. Her expense reports and employment history were obtained by The Examiner under the California Public Records Act