T coach or throw out!!!

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally posted by johnny1784

No, they are not being underpaid. The school district administrators are over paid. You teach to do a service much similar to when you as a parent teach your own children. It is not our fault government school districts have misused and misappropriated funds at their disposal. My sister does home school for her 4 children while being a p/t math professor in college. Now just think if more parents did home schooling, then how much would you feel a school teacher deserves to receive? If my sister can do it for free, why shouldnÂ’t a school teacher?

Thats quite possible the stupidest thing I have ever read. Why dont you officiate for free? School teachers go to college and pay for four years of college to be trained. Many of US feel that we owe the younger generation. For school teachers to work for free...stop smoking crack.

[Nate1224hoops]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Well, no, it's an annual salary of $40,000.

Teachers are not paid per hour or week or month. They are paid a salary in exchange for rendering a service over the course of the school year which happens to be 9 or 10 months. To "annualize" their compensation over the full year is...well...ignorant.

LOL...40,000 would be a big raise here in VA. I started out at about 28,000 a few years ago. Teachers are severly underpaid.

[JRutledge]

I can tell you as a son of a teacher, they get paid 9 months out of the year, not a full 12 months. They might have a salary, but they will not get paid for 3 months at all unless they teach summer school or pick up extra teaching opportunities that might pay some money. I do not know about anyone else, but not getting any money coming in for 3 months would hurt me. On top of that, many do not make a lot of money to begin with. Now my mother who is a college professor has opportunities to teach and make other income that a HS teacher will not have the opportunity to make. She takes extra teaching positions that might be over the weekends at satellite programs and make extra money that way. That is not something a HS teacher can do in many cases if at all. And one of the problems is that if a teacher is working a private school, those teachers usually gets less than someone teaching at a public school.

Teaching is a big sacrifice for those that choose to do it. I do not envy their position. That is why I never considered being one myself.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Speaking as a teacher myself, I would have to say that I am not necessarily "underpaid"...we pay our bills. We will never be rich. I love what I do (most days)...also, I am paid year-round, they just pro-rate my 185 day salary over a full 12 months, and rake in the interest the money earns in a bank account waiting to be paid to me. Oh well...but to say that I am overpaid is ridiculous. If I could charge the hourly rate charged by most day-care providers in this area, I would be making around $92,000 per year (for the 180 days, based on number of students and hours they are in my "care")...so whoever it was that siad we are overpaid is seriously on drugs...

And btw, my wife (also a teacher) and I home-schooled our children for several years also, and while it has advantages, there are some serious drawbacks there also...

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally posted by Nate1224hoops
LOL...40,000 would be a big raise here in VA. I started out at about 28,000 a few years ago. Teachers are severly underpaid.

Not if they can't even spell SEVERELY they aren't. You get what you're worth.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Nate1224hoops

LOL...40,000 would be a big raise here in VA. I started out at about 28,000 a few years ago. Teachers are severly underpaid.

Teachers are (in general) paid what the market will bear. If the pay rate is "too low", people will stop teaching (or not go into teaching) and the rate will rise. If your school district is not getting enough (qualified) applicants for open positions, the rate is too low. If you are getting many more applicants than are needed, the rate is too high.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally posted by JRutledge
I can tell you as a son of a teacher, they get paid 9 months out of the year, not a full 12 months. They might have a salary, but they will not get paid for 3 months at all unless they teach summer school or pick up extra teaching opportunities that might pay some money. I do not know about anyone else, but not getting any money coming in for 3 months would hurt me. On top of that, many do not make a lot of money to begin with. Now my mother who is a college professor has opportunities to teach and make other income that a HS teacher will not have the opportunity to make. She takes extra teaching positions that might be over the weekends at satellite programs and make extra money that way. That is not something a HS teacher can do in many cases if at all. And one of the problems is that if a teacher is working a private school, those teachers usually gets less than someone teaching at a public school.

Teaching is a big sacrifice for those that choose to do it. I do not envy their position. That is why I never considered being one myself.

Peace

Look, I don't think the debate was over gettin 9 paychecks or 12. Hell, I used to work for a school district that gave their teachers the options to take it over 9 months or 12. That didn't change the total annual salary one way or the other. And heck, I've known teachers taht worked as bellmen for hotels in the summer. The bottom line is, teachers work 9 months out of the year, and they get compensated accordingly. If you can't make it on that, change careers, or do something besides sit around all summer eating bonbons.

[johnny1784]

Originally posted by Nate1224hoops

Thats quite possible the stupidest thing I have ever read. Why dont you officiate for free? School teachers go to college and pay for four years of college to be trained. Many of US feel that we owe the younger generation. For school teachers to work for free...stop smoking crack.

Not as ignorant as what you have written.

Takes one to know one... who has smoked some "crack”.

The next time you want to use your race as evidence for your intelligence, try using your profane philosophy on another person.

You couldn't write a legitimate paper on the origins of "crack".

A college education does not guarantee what you are expected to earn on a job. Just because you earned a degree and your teaching credentials does not equate you are entitled to a high salary.

One should be proud to teach others whatever salary they are given.

I earn my officials pay regardless if I do it for free or for a game fee that others offer me.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes
[/B]

The bottom line is, teachers work 9 months out of the year, and they get compensated accordingly. If you can't make it on that, change careers, or do something besides sit around all summer eating bonbons. [/B][/QUOTE]Well, on the plus side, not many teachers send out their exams and exam answer on the internet before their students write that exam.

I think that I'll stick with the teachers' side.

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by johnny1784


One should be proud to teach others whatever salary they are given.

Spoken like someone who is not a teacher and doesn't have to try to live on what a teacher makes in many states.

And I like the use of the word "given" there - implying that my salary is a "gift", not something I work my a$$ off for.

And btw, I am proud of what I do, and I'm pretty dextering good at it too...but that doesn't mean I'm gonna do it for free.

[jeffpea]

I'm not sure how, but I seemed to have been forwarded to http://www.teaching.com while reading this thread....is it possible to get back to http://www.officialforum.com?

Thanks!

I have to strongly disagree w/ 2 comments made previously on this thread: "when in doubt, throw them out" and "the varsity coaches watch the prelim. game to see how much they can get away with in the varsity game". Those viewpoints could not possibily be more wrong - in my opinion.

The GREAT officials exercise excellent judgement and outstanding game management. When the situation calls for it, you penalize and eject. But not every situation is the same and should not be handled the same. Yes, rules are rules - but the interpretation and application of the rules seperate the poor from the average, average from good, good from great, and great from outstanding.


Just my two cents worth.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by rockyroad
Speaking as a teacher myself, I would have to say that I am not necessarily "underpaid"...we pay our bills. We will never be rich. I love what I do (most days)...also, I am paid year-round, they just pro-rate my 185 day salary over a full 12 months, and rake in the interest the money earns in a bank account waiting to be paid to me. Oh well...but to say that I am overpaid is ridiculous. If I could charge the hourly rate charged by most day-care providers in this area, I would be making around $92,000 per year (for the 180 days, based on number of students and hours they are in my "care")...so whoever it was that siad we are overpaid is seriously on drugs...

And btw, my wife (also a teacher) and I home-schooled our children for several years also, and while it has advantages, there are some serious drawbacks there also...

I agree that some teachers are underpaid. It is a sad day when a teacher is paid not for the quality of the teaching but for the number of years on the job. My children have had teachers that were not at all good and others that were great. The one that was not very good made a noticable amount more than the others because she had been there longer. This is the effect of teacher's unions. They protect the bad and limit the good.

The other main issue regarding money is not so much the amont teachers are paid but the amount of revenue consumed by the school. In our school district, the average classroom size is 27 and the amount spent per student by the school system for all costs is $10,000 per student (that includes benefits, salarys, capital costs, supplies, etc.) That's $270,000 per classroom. If teachers are only getting $40,000, I'd like to know where the other $230,000 is going???? The buildings don't cost that much. I'd expect the largest cost to the the teachers but they're not even 20% of the total.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by rockyroad
Speaking as a teacher myself, I would have to say that I am not necessarily "underpaid"...we pay our bills. We will never be rich. I love what I do (most days)...also, I am paid year-round, they just pro-rate my 185 day salary over a full 12 months, and rake in the interest the money earns in a bank account waiting to be paid to me. Oh well...but to say that I am overpaid is ridiculous. If I could charge the hourly rate charged by most day-care providers in this area, I would be making around $92,000 per year (for the 180 days, based on number of students and hours they are in my "care")...so whoever it was that siad we are overpaid is seriously on drugs...

And btw, my wife (also a teacher) and I home-schooled our children for several years also, and while it has advantages, there are some serious drawbacks there also...

And don't forget that that's only for in-school time.

If I were to add up all of my time in school, all of my time doing lesson plans/grading papers/tests/quizzes/etc. (none of which I can do while actually at work), extra help sessions, athletic department duties, and dormitory supervision, I would be making somewhere around $0.45/hour.

Same as with reffing, I'm not doing this for the money!

[chrs_schuster]

Oh where? Oh where has my little post gone, morphed into a teach or not to teach debate. You just gotta love this board!!!!

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by chrs_schuster
Oh where? Oh where has my little post gone, morphed into a teach or not to teach debate. You just gotta love this board!!!!

You must be new around here.