T coach or throw out!!!

[tomegun]

Unfortunately, someone might ask you why you didn't throw her out and you could end up defending yourself.
A lot of times, a high school coach is trying to add to their income (which is too low for what they do) by coaching a sport. It is often their first taste of some power and they take it too far. On the other hand, a college coach is often coaching to feed his/her family. They do get out of hand, but they realize their livelyhood is at stake so too many situations can (but don't enough) lead to getting fired.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by chrs_schuster
I hear your words!!!!but.... as a second year official, my partner as well. Never been in that predicetment before, I have only Td one head coach before in my first year. So I guess I was a little hesitant to throw the coach out not knowing if it was the correct call to just T or throw out. Im not backpeddling, all I can say is that it wolnt happen again. By the way the AD contacted me for a statement. Thanks again for the input

Chris -- no need to defend yourself. It makes sense in your circs to be uncertain how to handle this situation. We are just letting you know for next time. At least you got to file a report, and the "authorities" are aware of her and her attitude. That's not quite as good as her getting tossed, but almost. And then, she lost! There's that karma thing again...

[Ref Daddy]

You witnessed vugar gestures and obscene words? Good heaven"s yes. Thats an easy T.

Keep in mind this individual is paid by YOUR tax money and teach's YOUR children too. What place does this behavior have when coach's are asked to demonstrate and teach sportsmanship.

When Coach - AFTER A REMINDER even - chooses to stand up - you are not fulfilling your obligations and responsibilites to yourself, your partner, the spectators, the kids, the association, the competition, the rule book , the game and all other coach's you'll ever encounter - if you talk yourself out of the required enforcement.

As you grow refereeing you'll constantly deal with the "line" coach's are not to cross over to garner a T from you.

As described this coach is in another time zone.

[truerookie]

Originally posted by chrs_schuster
Ok Fellas, I am a second year ref, and I'm not sure what a more experienced ref would have done so here goes. I'm trail official in a girls JV game. Late 4th quarter about 1:30 left on the clock. Score tied. I call travel on home team in there frontcourt. As I'm making my travel signal, I see head coach for home team ( a woman and an official too) flipping me off with her arms. She then mouthed F##K OFF!! to me. I immediately T,d her in a crucial part of the game. So I told she had lost her coaching box privileges. As the rest of the game was going on I noticed her getting up out of her seat. My partner and I both told her to sit down. They lost the game in overtime, but I was just wondering if you guys would have handled it different? thanks

Fellow 2nd year official, I understand your uncertainty. I have given out a few T's in my short career and one ejection (player). I am on this website constantly becoming better enable to apply the "spirit of the rule" correctly. The concept, Mr. Padgett stated is a good one. The way I see it must reasonable people will observe you making your best effort in applying the "spirit of the rule" correctly. In this situation, I believe you applied what you thought was the right thing to do. You should make a note of this in your basketball journal and learn from it.

I personally keep a journal of every game I work. So, I can reflect of some of the unusual situations in which I may encounter in a game setting. It will get easier as you continue in this avocation. Dealing with these types of situations.

[Ref Daddy]

My refereeing mentor told me that the Coach T is a line each individual referee has and the "line" is determined by your experience in games.

With each technical "situation' - and the T called or not -that line moves. You are developing YOUR standards for sportsmanship and acceptable coach's behavior going forward.

the key is you must develop one.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally posted by tomegun
A lot of times, a high school COACH is trying to add to their income (which is too low for what they do) by coaching a sport.

Did you mean to say this is a teacher trying to add to their income and that teachers are underpaid? All I gotta say is that if you choose to work 9 months a year, you should expect only 9 months worth of pay.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
In the immortal words of Total B@stard Airlines, "Buh-bye!"

Unfortunately, I couldn't find a picture of David Spade and Helen Hunt doing this skit. Maybe Dan will be able to dig one up.

OK, so I'm not Dan, but will these do?




OK then, Buh Bye!

[Rich]

Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes

Did you mean to say this is a teacher trying to add to their income and that teachers are underpaid? All I gotta say is that if you choose to work 9 months a year, you should expect only 9 months worth of pay.

Do you think teachers sit around and eat bon bons all summer? And many teachers are underpaid for 9 months work.

[BIG O]

JV games are for the varsity head coach to grade (judge) the officials. They observe that game to see what they can get away with in the varsity game. Coaches will tell the players to watch the offiicals in that JV game.

Should of told the AD that the JV coach shouldn't be in the gym. Remember who needs to control the game. Fans & player feed off that coach...... You let it go, you just poured gas on the fire. Not only on yourself, but also on the next set of officials that each team will face.

Simple: a used bar of Dial soap and sent to the showers for her, with "No" loss of sleep over it.

[johnny1784]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

Do you think teachers sit around and eat bon bons all summer? And many teachers are underpaid for 9 months work.

No, they are not being underpaid. The school district administrators are over paid. You teach to do a service much similar to when you as a parent teach your own children. It is not our fault government school districts have misused and misappropriated funds at their disposal. My sister does home school for her 4 children while being a p/t math professor in college. Now just think if more parents did home schooling, then how much would you feel a school teacher deserves to receive? If my sister can do it for free, why shouldn’t a school teacher?

[cowbyfan1]

Originally posted by johnny1784

No, they are not being underpaid. The school district administrators are over paid. You teach to do a service much similar to when you as a parent teach your own children. It is not our fault government school districts have misused and misappropriated funds at their disposal. My sister does home school for her 4 children while being a p/t math professor in college. Now just think if more parents did home schooling, then how much would you feel a school teacher deserves to receive? If my sister can do it for free, why shouldn’t a school teacher?

Yeah ok.. Then how many teachers would be out there.. Uh zero!!! Then are you going to quit your job to home school your kids? Not likely. Let's set back education standards 500 years at least.

[tomegun]

Wow, this is a new one for me; I don't think I've ever heard someone say teachers AREN'T underpaid. During the school year, they are with kids more than the kids own parents are unless you count being with the kids when they are sleep. Even during summer break the parents aren't with the kids much because a lot of parents work. How can someone who is with your kids that much only be worth $40,000 (what I've heard they make in Maryland)? That is under $4,500 a month if you go by 9 months. There are so many other jobs that could be cut, or not given the annual raise, that it is ridiculous. That money could be added to all these teachers' salaries.

[tomegun]

Originally posted by BIG O
JV games are for the varsity head coach to grade (judge) the officials. They observe that game to see what they can get away with in the varsity game. Coaches will tell the players to watch the offiicals in that JV game.

Should of told the AD that the JV coach shouldn't be in the gym. Remember who needs to control the game. Fans & player feed off that coach...... You let it go, you just poured gas on the fire. Not only on yourself, but also on the next set of officials that each team will face.

Simple: a used bar of Dial soap and sent to the showers for her, with "No" loss of sleep over it.

I don't know where this came from, but every place I've been, this is dead wrong. JV games are for JV players to play a game of basketball. Coaches don't even always observe the game, let alone observe it to see what they can get away with in their game. Big O, if you do a JV game and I do a Varsity game behind you, let's see how much that coach thinks you will represent what he can and can't get away with?

Attention to young officials - this is not true!

Back to our regularly scheduled programs.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally posted by tomegun
Wow, this is a new one for me; I don't think I've ever heard someone say teachers AREN'T underpaid. During the school year, they are with kids more than the kids own parents are unless you count being with the kids when they are sleep. Even during summer break the parents aren't with the kids much because a lot of parents work. How can someone who is with your kids that much only be worth $40,000 (what I've heard they make in Maryland)? That is under $4,500 a month if you go by 9 months. There are so many other jobs that could be cut, or not given the annual raise, that it is ridiculous. That money could be added to all these teachers' salaries.

And using your logic, that is an annualized salary of about $53,000. SOunds reasonable to me. Like I said before, work 9 months, get 9 months worth of pay.

And no, I don't believe that ALL teachers sit around in the summer eating bonbons. There are a few that teach summer school and I am sure that they are fairly compensated for it. There are some that seek other employment during the summer months and I am sure that they are fairly compensated for it. And for those that chooose to sit around and munch on BonBons all summer, well, I just hope they know how to live on a budget, and save some cash during those 9 months that they work so they can get through the other 3 on a little more then bonsbons.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes

And using your logic, that is an annualized salary of about $53,000. SOunds reasonable to me. Like I said before, work 9 months, get 9 months worth of pay.

Well, no, it's an annual salary of $40,000.

Teachers are not paid per hour or week or month. They are paid a salary in exchange for rendering a service over the course of the school year which happens to be 9 or 10 months. To "annualize" their compensation over the full year is...well...ignorant.