Throw in violation or not ?

prohawg · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 08, 2005, 10:11pm

Player A1 has throw in near opposing teams bench. He throws the ball and it hits the coach, who is standing in the coaches box. The ref in this game gave the coach a technical. What is the proper call. Ohio high school rules.
The coach did not intend to be in the way,but the pass was thrown towards the corner of the court and he was in line of the pass.

JRutledge · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 08, 2005, 10:38pm

There is not such thing as "Ohio State Rules." Ohio as well as many other states uses National Federation Rules.

This call is based on the judgment of the officials on the game. We have no idea what the coach did or what the official thought about his/her actions to be in the way. It is possible that the coach was out of the coaching box and that could have prompted the technical foul. I really do not know if the call was right or not, I was not there.

Peace

Rick82358 · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 09, 2005, 01:44pm

it is not a throw in violation!
It is a technical foul or a reset but it is not a violation!

But the official should clear the area sufficiently when administering so that the coach is out of the way. if at that point the coah is hit by the ball then it is the coaches fault and the Whack is justified.

Ref Daddy · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 09, 2005, 02:21pm

Smells like "spirit of the rules" debate to me.

Player has rights to Throw-in per rules
Coach is bench personnel with rights to the box.

Was this a natural occurance (accident)?
Did the player throw AT the coach?
Did the coach see the ball, swat at the ball?
Was there an open player in the corner direction of pass?

I'd say observing the event with these questions answered would say:

Re throw-in - no violation unless you saw something outside the spirit of the opportunity to cleanly get the ball back into play.

prohawg · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 09, 2005, 02:48pm

This was an accident.
The player did not throw at coach intentionally.
The coach did not see it coming and was clearly in the coaches box.
There was a player in the corner that the throw was intended for.

I was right there and saw it all. Just want to know what the call is. I coach and whenever I see something odd like this, I try to find the right call. Thanks to all.

jritchie · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 09, 2005, 02:57pm

More than likely a "Do-over"

The coach may be watching this time!!

Jurassic Referee · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 09, 2005, 03:06pm

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Originally posted by jritchie
More than likely a "Do-over" The coach may be watching this time!!

At the risk of being called cowardly and unethical, I agree with that.

Ref Daddy · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 09, 2005, 03:14pm

Clean Do-Over. Just hope the kid running the clock didn't start it running too soon and you have that issue to deal with.

Calling a T on coach would have been baseless as you describe the situation.

rainmaker · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 09, 2005, 06:51pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by jritchie
More than likely a "Do-over" The coach may be watching this time!!

At the risk of being called cowardly and unethical, I agree with that.

Wouldn't want you to step out on that limb all by yourself, for nothing, so....

You're cowardly and unethical!!

Nevadaref · #10 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 10, 2005, 09:15am

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Originally posted by prohawg
This was an accident.
The player did not throw at coach intentionally.
The coach did not see it coming and was clearly in the coaches box.
There was a player in the corner that the throw was intended for.

I was right there and saw it all. Just want to know what the call is. I coach and whenever I see something odd like this, I try to find the right call. Thanks to all.

If this is the case, then the correct call by the book is a throw-in violation on the thrower for causing the ball to go OOB before being touched by a player either on or off the court.

When the ball hits the coach, who is standing in his box OOB, the ball is OOB, and since the coach is not a player the thrower has violated.

Give the opponents the ball.

I NEVER EVER EVER have do overs in an NFHS game.

Ref Daddy · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 10, 2005, 10:25am

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Originally posted by Nevadaref

Quote:

Originally posted by prohawg
This was an accident.
The player did not throw at coach intentionally.
The coach did not see it coming and was clearly in the coaches box.
There was a player in the corner that the throw was intended for.

I was right there and saw it all. Just want to know what the call is. I coach and whenever I see something odd like this, I try to find the right call. Thanks to all.

If this is the case, then the correct call by the book is a throw-in violation on the thrower for causing the ball to go OOB before being touched by a player either on or off the court.

When the ball hits the coach, who is standing in his box OOB, the ball is OOB, and since the coach is not a player the thrower has violated.

Give the opponents the ball.

I NEVER EVER EVER have do overs in an NFHS game.

Humm...
I'm trying to noodle your thoughts. Interesting.

Advantage / Disadvantage angle: Changing possession suggestes thrower was put at a Diasadvantage (lost throw in opportunity) by the opposing team's coach .

Boils down to me - who has the primary responsibility ; Coach to get out of the way or player to avoid hitting the coach?

Do overs? Slang for "meriting another" as in
1) jump ball not strait
2) lane voilation by defense on free throw