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Jurassic Referee · #31 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 10, 2005, 08:55am

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Originally posted by Nevadaref
So what we need the NFHS to specify for us is:
1. Is leaving the floor during a dead ball by a player (other than a time-out or intermission) allowed?

2. What is the penalty if this is illegal? A violation, a technical foul, removal from the game temporarily, etc.?

3. What happens if that player has not yet returned when the ball becomes live again?

Example of a play that meets those criteria?

Nevadaref · #32 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 10, 2005, 09:02am

While the referee is reporting a foul on White #33, Blue #4 decides to leave the floor, run down the hallway, and get a drink of water.

a. He returns to the court prior to the ball being put at the disposal of the thrower.

b. He is still off the floor when the ball become live again.

Jurassic Referee · #33 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 10, 2005, 10:06am

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Originally posted by Nevadaref
While the referee is reporting a foul on White #33, Blue #4 decides to leave the floor, run down the hallway, and get a drink of water.

a. He returns to the court prior to the ball being put at the disposal of the thrower.

b. He is still off the floor when the ball become live again.

On the NFHS web site under COMMENTS ON THE 2005-06 RULES REVISIONS, it also stresses that the violation is for "leaving the court during the course of play...". The same COMMENTS also say that the violation should be called as soon as the player leaves the court.

So....according to your interpretation of this rule, and also naturally complying with the FED directive, as soon as the player above stepped OOB we gotta whistle him for a violation.....before that player even starts for the hallway.

You are one great l'il mind reader, aren't you, to know definitively that the player above was leaving the floor for an unauthorized reason?

Please let me know when you're gonna call that, Nevada. I'll book a flight to see that one. Should be entertaining as hell

Nevadaref · #34 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 10, 2005, 10:12am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Nevadaref
While the referee is reporting a foul on White #33, Blue #4 decides to leave the floor, run down the hallway, and get a drink of water.

a. He returns to the court prior to the ball being put at the disposal of the thrower.

b. He is still off the floor when the ball become live again.

On the NFHS web site under COMMENTS ON THE 2005-06 RULES REVISIONS, it also stresses that the violation is for "leaving the court during the course of play...". The same COMMENTS also say that the violation should be called as soon as the player leaves the court.

So....according to your interpretation of this rule, and also naturally complying with the FED directive, as soon as the player above stepped OOB we gotta whistle him for a violation.....before that player even starts for the hallway.

You are one great l'il mind reader, aren't you, to know definitively that the player above was leaving the floor for an unauthorized reason?

Please let me know when you're gonna call that, Nevada. I'll book a flight to see that one. Should be entertaining as hell

Don't buy your ticket yet. All I did was comply with your request for an example of a play that meets those three criteria I listed above that I wish the NFHS would clarify.

Nevadaref · #35 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 10, 2005, 10:14am

BTW, we know from last season's POEs that a kid leaving the confines of the bench to get a drink in the hallway is a T. Therefore, why would a player leaving the floor during a dead ball to get a drink in the hallway not be penalized in the same manner?

Riddle me that one Batman!

Jurassic Referee · #36 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 10, 2005, 10:23am

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Originally posted by Nevadaref
BTW, we know from last season's POEs that a kid leaving the confines of the bench to get a drink in the hallway is a T. Therefore, why would a player leaving the floor during a dead ball to get a drink in the hallway not be penalized in the same manner?

Riddle me that one Batman!

Um....maybe because that part of the POE referred specifically to bench personnel only? Doesn't it say that coaches must ensure that bench personnel stay on the bench?

And also maybe because that POE also discussed the problem of players leaving the court for "unauthorized reasons" in a completely different paragraph above the one related to bench personnel?

Two completely different concerns in the same POE, Nevada.

Good try though.

refnrev · #37 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 12, 2005, 06:50pm

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Originally posted by ronny mulkey

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Originally posted by refnrev
Largent, IMO you need to work on these mistakes:

1. Count both teams before restarting play, but don't be overly obvious about it.
2. Review the T rule before your next game. No T warranted here. 6 players, yes, but not for 4.
3. Ask your partner why he stopped the game because of a comment from the table? This isn't necessarily a good practice to get into.

You made a mistake. So has everyone else on this board --plenty of times. That's how we get better.

Rev,

What is your problem with being overly obvious about counting the players? At the Tech-Ga. game on Sunday, Burr and Valentine allowed a resumption of play with 6 players. They also prevented another one. You should have seen them counting from then on.

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Nothing if you do it at the right time. In fact before the game and at the half I actually count 1-2-3-4-5 out loud so the teams but not he stands can hear me. But I've seen guys doing an obvious count when they should have been watching the play developing right before them. Or instead of counting when the players come out they are looking around at the stands or whatever and then count after the ball is put in play. It made them look out of sync with what was going on at the moment.