Big 10/ACC challenge

[mick]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Jim Burr and Donnie Gray just kicked a play that no one here should miss as we discuss it all the time.

A1 drives and is in the act of shooting, B1 fouls A2, A1 releases shot and it goes.

Wanna guess what they did?

Team A outa bounds?

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Looks like GT gave State all they could handle!

And GT is unranked?
If Paul Davis starts playing like a man, instead of a big boy, Spartans may hurt someone.
mick

[BktBallRef]

Yes, there should have been. they should have counted the basket and they flat out blew it. Vitale blew it too. he said the ball had to be released before the shot. Dead wrong. Interestingly enough, Burr originally counted the basket, then changed it after talking to Gray.

[BktBallRef]

Duke has the same ugly uniforms.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Yes, there should have been. they should have counted the basket and they flat out blew it. Vitale blew it too. he said the ball had to be released before the shot. Dead wrong. Interestingly enough, Burr originally counted the basket, then changed it after talking to Gray.

In looking at the replays, I believe that the act of shooting had not yet begun. Therefore, the off-ball foul by Duke made the ball dead and the goal was correctly waved off.
It was certainly close though.
Just my opinion.

[Rich]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Chuck, if we include Gardner Webb's victory over Minnesota last night, the ACC is up 4-3.

GW is an Atlantic Sun school in Boiling Springs, NC. Carolina opened with them and survived 83-80.

Monson just flat out lost it tonight in the MN/MD game. Threw his coat, got 2 T's and put his coat back on before making the walk o' shame.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=253340120

[tomegun]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

In looking at the replays, I believe that the act of shooting had not yet begun. Therefore, the off-ball foul by Duke made the ball dead and the goal was correctly waved off.
It was certainly close though.
Just my opinion.

I did not see this play. However, can someone describe what the shooter was doing at the time the foul occured? I would really like to know if he was NOT in the act of shooting.

Just to be nitpicky: Mr. Gray's name is spelled Donnee, not Donnie.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by tomegun

I did not see this play. However, can someone describe what the shooter was doing at the time the foul occured? I would really like to know if he was NOT in the act of shooting.

Just to be nitpicky: Mr. Gray's name is spelled Donnee, not Donnie.

I see Mr. Spelling Guy's intern is still on the ball.

I only got a chance to listen to the game on the radio with the IN announcers, and I was surprised when they mentioned Burr had counted the basket, then he and Gray got together before waving it off. All the announcers mentioned was that it was a big deal for IN from a scoring standpoint; to their credit, they didn't really get into a rules discussion over whether it should or shouldn't count (like some announcers we know). But that did leave me wondering what did actually happen, and in what order.

[lucky1313]

JRut didn't see the play. Is that a shock to anyone except me???

LOL

Rut, do we have any games together down state this year??

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by tomegun

I did not see this play. However, can someone describe what the shooter was doing at the time the foul occured? I would really like to know if he was NOT in the act of shooting.

Just to be nitpicky: Mr. Gray's name is spelled Donnee, not Donnie.

Damn good question, Tommy... er, Tommie, I mean To....screw it!

He's lucky I didn't call him Dummee after talking Burr out of that one. The IU player had clearly started his shooting motion before the foul occurred. He was even in the air about to release the ball when the whistle came. They just flat out blew it and I'm sure were told so today.

NV, you must be yelling "ON THE FLOOR, ON THE FLOOR!" an awful lot in your games if you thought there wasn't continuous motion on that play. It was text book.

[BktBallRef]

BTW, ACC wins again.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
BTW, ACC wins again.

Obviously, there's cheatin' goin' on somewhere...

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Damn good question, Tommy... er, Tommie, I mean To....screw it!

He's lucky I didn't call him Dummee after talking Burr out of that one. The IU player had clearly started his shooting motion before the foul occurred. He was even in the air about to release the ball when the whistle came. They just flat out blew it and I'm sure were told so today.

NV, you must be yelling "ON THE FLOOR, ON THE FLOOR!" an awful lot in your games if you thought there wasn't continuous motion on that play. It was text book.

I guess we just are seeing the timing of the foul differently. In my opinion at the moment that Sheldon Williams hooks the arm of the IU player under the basket and pulls him aside, the IU player driving down the end line is just gathering the ball at the end of his dribble in preparation for a jumpstop.
I agree that the whistle came slightly after this point, but to me that is what the "shooter" was doing when the foul occurred. After this moment, the "shooter" can be seen landing simultaneously on both feet and then jumping up for the try.
I don't consider the action of making a jumpstop part of the act of shooting.
As I said above, I thought it was a close call, but I've watched it three times and still believe that DonnEE Gray got it right.

Tony perhaps you consider the foul to happen later, but for me it is the initial contact with the arms that determines it. And I never say, "on the floor." I'm a "no shot" guy.

[ChuckElias]

Hey Nevada, it wasn't the Big 10 or the ACC, but that was a nice win in Kansas last night.

[Edited by ChuckElias on Dec 2nd, 2005 at 10:23 AM]

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Hey Nevada, it was the Big 10 or the ACC, but that was a nice win in Kansas last night.

Huh?

Did you drive a front end loader over a 70 foot cliff, or sumthin'? That one don't make sense.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Huh?

LOL. If I edit my post, will you delete yours to remove all the evidence of my stupidity?