3 seconds.....are you nuts ?? - Page 3

Camron Rust · #31 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 22, 2005, 07:25pm

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IMO, as long as the player with the ball is looking at the basket (and I don't mean that literally), I'm not inclined to call a three-second violation, no matter how many times s/he fakes.

And ya know what, so would Chuck, regardless of what he says here.

I really don't think I would. If you're gonna stand in the lane and do 50 headfakes, you're gonna get a whistle. That's always the way I've been taught, and I really believe it. I'm not just arguing for the sake of it. You don't get 7 seconds (2+ in the lane, and then 5 closely-guarded) instead of 3 just b/c you're working on your head-fake.

I'm not even sure I see the original play consuming 5 seconds, but now you've got it up to 7, and the poor SOB has acquired tuorettes, 50 headfakes in that 5 seconds (that's 2 headfakes per second for you math illiterates out there).

Who you calling math illiterate?

Last time I checked 50 / 2 is 25.

Dan_ref · #32 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 22, 2005, 11:17pm

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Originally posted by Camron Rust

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IMO, as long as the player with the ball is looking at the basket (and I don't mean that literally), I'm not inclined to call a three-second violation, no matter how many times s/he fakes.

And ya know what, so would Chuck, regardless of what he says here.

I really don't think I would. If you're gonna stand in the lane and do 50 headfakes, you're gonna get a whistle. That's always the way I've been taught, and I really believe it. I'm not just arguing for the sake of it. You don't get 7 seconds (2+ in the lane, and then 5 closely-guarded) instead of 3 just b/c you're working on your head-fake.

I'm not even sure I see the original play consuming 5 seconds, but now you've got it up to 7, and the poor SOB has acquired tuorettes, 50 headfakes in that 5 seconds (that's 2 headfakes per second for you math illiterates out there).

Who you calling math illiterate?

Last time I checked 50 / 2 is 25.

Bridge to pettard...one to hoist.

(Or should I say that would be correct in *your* area but in *my* area we do things differently...

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Dan_ref · #33 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 22, 2005, 11:20pm

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If A1's making progress and/or trying to get a shot off then he can stay in there forever.

I could not disagree with this more. If A1 is moving to the basket or is about to attempt a try, withhold the whistle. As soon as A1 is no longer attempting a try, it's a violation (assuming that the count has exceeded 3 seconds). If you pull the ball back down for a fake, whistle. If you turn away from the basket for a spin, whistle. That's the way I was taught.

Ya know what?

I don't believe that you watch the lane that closely, hell bent on taking a 3 second violation at the slightest provocation.

I've seen you work, you don't do this.

RookieDude · #34 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 23, 2005, 05:28am

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Originally posted by Camron Rust

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
IMO, as long as the player with the ball is looking at the basket (and I don't mean that literally), I'm not inclined to call a three-second violation, no matter how many times s/he fakes.

And ya know what, so would Chuck, regardless of what he says here.

I really don't think I would. If you're gonna stand in the lane and do 50 headfakes, you're gonna get a whistle. That's always the way I've been taught, and I really believe it. I'm not just arguing for the sake of it. You don't get 7 seconds (2+ in the lane, and then 5 closely-guarded) instead of 3 just b/c you're working on your head-fake.

I'm not even sure I see the original play consuming 5 seconds, but now you've got it up to 7, and the poor SOB has acquired tuorettes, 50 headfakes in that 5 seconds (that's 2 headfakes per second for you math illiterates out there).

Who you calling math illiterate?

Last time I checked 50 / 2 is 25.

I think you both got it wrong...
50 headfakes in 5 seconds is 10 headfakes a second...duh!

BTW...might as well put in my 2 cents.

50 headfakes gets a 3 second violation whistle from me.
Maybe not on one upfake, I would have to see it, but..."forever in the key"...I don't think so.

Jurassic Referee · #35 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 23, 2005, 07:52am

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Bridge to pettard...one to hoist.

[/B][/QUOTE]Tsk, tsk, tsk.....

There is no such word as "pettard".

You obviously meant "petard".

Petard:
- pe-tard
- derived from the French noun- pet or "fart".
- 1) a small bell-shaped bomb used to breach a gate or wall.
2) a loud firecracker
Word History: The French used petard- "a loud discharge of intestinal gas"- for a kind of infernal engine used for blasting through the gates of a city. To be "hoist by one's own petard" means to blow oneself up with one's own bomb.

So.........

You either wanted to blow yourself up or fart. Which one was it?

Btw, if you put it to a vote, I would hazard a guess that door #1 would win in a landslide.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Nov 23rd, 2005 at 07:54 AM]

ChuckElias · #36 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 23, 2005, 08:54am

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I don't believe that you watch the lane that closely, hell bent on taking a 3 second violation at the slightest provocation.

I've seen you work, you don't do this.

You're absolutely right about that. I don't look to make 3-second calls unless I feel I have to. Most of us are like that. But I want to be clear that I disagree with the "he can make as many headfakes/jukes as he wants" philosophy. IF he's in the lane long enough that we've noticed it (which we all agree is going to be more than 3 actual seconds) and then he tries multiple dipsy-doodle moves, we should have a violation. He should not be allowed in the lane for as long as he wants simply b/c a try is coming sometime in the future. The try or move to the basket must be immediate.

jritchie · #37 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 23, 2005, 08:54am

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Who you calling math illiterate?

Last time I checked 50 / 2 is 25.

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I think you both got it wrong...
50 headfakes in 5 seconds is 10 headfakes a second...duh!

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Very good Rookiedude, you have received your bonus points for the day!!

Dan_ref · #38 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 23, 2005, 10:14am

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I don't believe that you watch the lane that closely, hell bent on taking a 3 second violation at the slightest provocation.

I've seen you work, you don't do this.

You're absolutely right about that. I don't look to make 3-second calls unless I feel I have to. Most of us are like that. But I want to be clear that I disagree with the "he can make as many headfakes/jukes as he wants" philosophy. IF he's in the lane long enough that we've noticed it (which we all agree is going to be more than 3 actual seconds) and then he tries multiple dipsy-doodle moves, we should have a violation. He should not be allowed in the lane for as long as he wants simply b/c a try is coming sometime in the future. The try or move to the basket must be immediate.

As I recall in this play A1 started at the high post, recieved a pass & drove in after a head fake. He then picked up his dribble, headfaked again & went in for a layup.

No way, now how is this play a 3 second violation.

Camron Rust · #39 (**permalink**) Wed Nov 23, 2005, 12:53pm

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
IMO, as long as the player with the ball is looking at the basket (and I don't mean that literally), I'm not inclined to call a three-second violation, no matter how many times s/he fakes.

And ya know what, so would Chuck, regardless of what he says here.

I really don't think I would. If you're gonna stand in the lane and do 50 headfakes, you're gonna get a whistle. That's always the way I've been taught, and I really believe it. I'm not just arguing for the sake of it. You don't get 7 seconds (2+ in the lane, and then 5 closely-guarded) instead of 3 just b/c you're working on your head-fake.

I'm not even sure I see the original play consuming 5 seconds, but now you've got it up to 7, and the poor SOB has acquired tuorettes, 50 headfakes in that 5 seconds (that's 2 headfakes per second for you math illiterates out there).

Who you calling math illiterate?

Last time I checked 50 / 2 is 25.

I think you both got it wrong...
50 headfakes in 5 seconds is 10 headfakes a second...duh!

BTW...might as well put in my 2 cents.

50 headfakes gets a 3 second violation whistle from me.
Maybe not on one upfake, I would have to see it, but..."forever in the key"...I don't think so.

Depends on which of the 3 you take as the variable. I took his total and rate as inputs to come up with a time...

50 headfakes at 2 per second takes 25 seconds.

You could also take his total and time and come up with a rate...as you have done.