NBA Mechanics

[Snake~eyes]

Just curious - where do you get an NBA mechanics manual?

[refTN]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Why would anyone want the NBA official's manual if they aren't doing games played under NBA rules? Supervisors/evaluators don't take too kindly to officials who don't use the proper mechanics for their particular ruleset-- even in the....wait for it....SEC, believe it or not. Trot out NBA mechanics or procedures or philosophies in a high school or college game and you might be trotting out the door at the same time.

Jurassic it is so much more than mechanics. I assume you are picturing what an NFHS official's manual has in it. This is not the case for the NBA manual. Only about 20 pages is mechanics the other 100 covers many other things.

Snake eyes I recieved mine at Bob Delaney's camp along with a case book and rule book from the 04-05 season.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Why would anyone want the NBA official's manual if they aren't doing games played under NBA rules?

Because they're working NCAA-W. I would not be surprised if NCAAW officials just adopted the WNBA official's manual within the next 5 years. The people in charge of women's officiating want their game to be the pro game. I don't think there's much doubt about that.

They already use the NBA's coverages, they use 2 hands now for their reporting, they walk-and-talk for their reporting, they sound the whistle before frontcourt endline throw-ins, they count and chop "up high", and I wouldn't be surprised if they adopt the NBA's switches in two years.

And let me just say that there's nothing wrong with any of that (except the court coverages, which make no sense at all). My point is simply that an NCAAW official might make good use of the NBA's officials' manual.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by refTN

Jurassic it is so much more than mechanics. I assume you are picturing what an NFHS official's manual has in it. This is not the case for the NBA manual. Only about 20 pages is mechanics the other 100 covers many other things.

Snake eyes I recieved mine at Bob Delaney's camp along with a case book and rule book from the 04-05 season.

RefTn, I have seen the NBA official's manual. If you want to utilize what is in there, please do so. It's just my opinion that it ain't very smart to try and use pro mechanics and philosophies in MS games. Or high school games. Feel free to ignore my opinion though. That's certainly everybody's right. If whoever is responsible for assigning/evaluating you thinks you're doing the right thing, hey, go for it.

[refTN]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

RefTn, I have seen the NBA official's manual. If you want to utilize what is in there, please do so. It's just my opinion that it ain't very smart to try and use pro mechanics and philosophies in MS games. Or high school games. Feel free to ignore my opinion though. That's certainly everybody's right. If whoever is responsible for assigning/evaluating you thinks you're doing the right thing, hey, go for it.

I agree with high school but my assignor for middle school does not care what we do as long as we get the plays right. This is a good area for me as far as mechanics are concerned to do those little things that i like that the NBA emphasizes.

[IREFU2]

Originally posted by refTN

I agree with high school but my assignor for middle school does not care what we do as long as we get the plays right. This is a good area for me as far as mechanics are concerned to do those little things that i like that the NBA emphasizes.

Thanks for the cudos on the other post but I must agree with others here too. Be careful where you use those NBA mechanics because they could seep out durning a JV or Varsity game unintensionally. I love the NBA mechanics when I was persuing NCAA Womens ball, I could get away with alot of the mechanics. Once I decided I wanted to persue the NCAA mens, I dropped alot of that NBA stuff and went by the book. The SEC Camps are the only camps you wont get in trouble usings NBA stuff. Just my 2 cents. But when I do rec, I am NBA all the way! LOL!!!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by refTN

I agree with high school but my assignor for middle school does not care what we do as long as we get the plays right. This is a good area for me as far as mechanics are concerned to do those little things that i like that the NBA emphasizes.

Well, seeing you obviously don't feel that getting used to high school mechanics has any real value and isn't really of any interest to you anyway, why don't you just skip that level and maybe skip college ball too and go right to the NBA? Obviously, you think you're ready.

As I said, keep doing what you're doing. Good luck to ya. Just wondering though...why do you even come to this board if there's really nothing of value here for you? Most of the posters here are just a bunch of plain old high school officials. They'll never be able to help you.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by IREFU2
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Be careful where you use those NBA mechanics because they could seep out durning a JV or Varsity game unintensionally.
[/B][/QUOTE]Don't you actually have to do a JV or Varsity game before the seeping begins? Can't you seep even if you've never done one in your life?

[IREFU2]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Be careful where you use those NBA mechanics because they could seep out durning a JV or Varsity game unintensionally.
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Don't you actually have to do a JV or Varsity game before the seeping begins? Can't you seep even if you've never done one in your life? [/B][/QUOTE]

Depends!!!!!!

[refTN]

jurassic I want to work college, but the college ball I want to work accepts almost all the NBA mechanics and philosophies.

I don't care if everybody on this whole forum is just "plain ole high school refs" you can learn from everyone. You can engage in lively debate, and tickle your mind and get it to think. I know where I want to be, but it doesn't mean I don't know where i have to go to be where I want to be.

Yes the NBA is my ultimate goal, and there is no person who is going to stand in my way or stomp on my parade on my way through the HS ranks or through the college ranks to get there.

I understand that you love high school ball and if I have understood correctly you have dedicated many upon many of years to it, and I respect it, but I just want to bide my time, be the best in HS basketball and move on to the next goal, which is to be one of the best in the NCAA, and so forth all the way to the league.

Maybe you think I don't give the HS referee his due and I can agree with that, because where I come from the good HS basketball referee hardly exists. I could maybe name 5, at most, good officials in our assosciation and I don't know who to blame for that. Maybe it is just our lack of basketball love in our area. I don't know.

Jurassic you have a plethora of knowledge and I want to hear it all. Sure I will probably disregard some of it, but there is a lot I will take with me. Just please do me a favor and cut the "why are you here" post. If I didn't want to learn or thought that this forum was beneath me I would never get on it or just make fun of everyone that is on it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by refTN

Maybe you think I don't give the HS referee his due and I can agree with that, because where I come from the good HS basketball referee hardly exists. I could maybe name 5, at most, good officials in our assosciation and I don't know who to blame for that.

Wow. Obviously you'll never learn anything from those turkeys, eh? There's really not that many good high school basketball referees either in TN, huh? Who woulda thunk it?

RefTN, it's a complete waste of my time to try and tell you anything. You obviously already know everything, and you also obviously don't care about or want to learn about high school rules. Iow, you don't need me or a lot of other people here. Which is kinda amazing to me because you're a 19 year old whose whole experience consists of a few middle-school games. But, as I said, good luck to you. I'll try not to bother you again- except maybe unless you try to answer one of those high school questions that you don't care about anyway.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Nov 21st, 2005 at 03:07 PM]

[JCrow]

Years ago, I decided that the NFHS Mechanics just didn't cut the mustard so I made up my own:

1. Traveling: It has nothing to do with the hands...so why the speed bag signal? I do the sctick that Jackie Gleason used to open his old Variety Show......"a little Traveling Music, Sammy and AWAY we goooo...."

2. 3 Point Signal: Why use a football signal? OK...I stole this from the WWF. I get down to my knees when the shot is in the air and slap the floor. One...two....hesitaion for dramatic effect....THREE! Sometimes I pull back on the THREE SLAP just to see what the Coach does?

3. Backcourt: I blow the whistle and take pocession of the ball. I walk into the Center Circle and begin a very good "moonwalk" into backcourt.

4. 5 Seconds Closely Guarded: Thank God I only get one or two a game. I lay down on my side at the POI. Then I do the old Curly Howard Rountine where you move your feet and make a full revolving circle. (Coaches HATE this one.)

[refTN]

Jurassic I have said it many times on here. I do not have a full time job. My full time job is officiating. That is all I do. I went through the answers on the part 1 exam of the NFHS test with my supervisor and scored in the 90s if we checked right, so don't act like I don't know HS rules. I know HS rules pretty well.

It's perfectly fine if you don't won't to bother me anymore. I don't think I would be getting under your skin so much if I was a 35 year old man with 2 years of experience. Let's kick the 19 year old thing out the door and see what all you have to say about me then.

I am a humble person about things, but when it comes to officiating basketball I become pretty cocky, not a know it all, but cocky, because I believe I am very good at what I do because I don't just write on this forum, I am watching game film, talking to other officials through email and asking them questions. This is what I do, and this is what I was born to do. I will never whether you like it or not back down from a good debate about officiating, nor will I stop listening to what you have to say. You can think I know it all and that is fine. If you want to send me a test to prove me wrong, thats fine, but I would have to say that I would do a little better on it than you think I would.

If you want to chat I will gladly send you my Phone number I would love nothing more than talk to a fellow official.

Last thing what did you mean by there wasn't any good officials in Tn either? Who woulda thunk?

Are we not saying the same thing? What is the deal with there not being good officials where you live.

[SMEngmann]

RefTN, just a quick word of advice from a young official a little further along than you. I have never seen you work, but from your posts I gather you love officiating and you're very driven, but in order to move up quickly, cockyness is not necessarily a good thing and it should not be confused with confidence. Cockyness will stunt your growth as an official and it will certainly prevent you from learning all there is to learn as you climb the ladder. There's something to be said for paying your dues and it's politically not a good move to be a "know it all." You can learn something every game from other officials, regardless of how good you judge them to be, and a lot of that comes from game experience. Stepping on toes on the way up the ladder burns bridges, because after all, by making your rise through the ranks, someone else is coming down on the other end, someone who might not think he's ready to be losing games to a "hot shot." Being labeled as a "hot shot" is a double edged sword in that it means you're good, but it also means that you let everyone know it rather than having your work speak for itself. You don't want to be seen as a know it all.

On a similar note, although you clearly have a passion for officiating, don't let it totally consume everything you do. I remember at a camp this year (maybe Coast 2 Coast) one of the clinicians mentioned that "There are a lot of referee junkies here," referring to guys who let officiating interfere with other concerns. At every camp I've ever been at, the top guys always say that officiating has a place for them, behind a strong family, their job and often their religion. Don't let it be totally consuming.

Finally, and perhaps the best lesson I've learned so far as an official is that you're only as good as the person who hires you thinks you are, that matters even beyond what your own evaluation says, or even what the tape says. If it's a mens rec league, the league director, who's likely never officiated, is the judge, or even the players, at MS it's the MS assignor, at HS, the HS guy. Ultimately, the game you call and the way you call it has to suit their preferences, otherwise you will be out of that particular job. You are in for a unique challenge as such a young official moving on to HS because you will naturally be questioned and challenged because of your age, even if your calls are dead right and coaches will push you. You must respond with confidence, rather than cockyness, and above all, do what your supervisor wants and respect the other officials and learn from them.

[refTN]

Originally posted by SMEngmann
RefTN, just a quick word of advice from a young official a little further along than you. I have never seen you work, but from your posts I gather you love officiating and you're very driven, but in order to move up quickly, cockyness is not necessarily a good thing and it should not be confused with confidence. Cockyness will stunt your growth as an official and it will certainly prevent you from learning all there is to learn as you climb the ladder. There's something to be said for paying your dues and it's politically not a good move to be a "know it all." You can learn something every game from other officials, regardless of how good you judge them to be, and a lot of that comes from game experience. Stepping on toes on the way up the ladder burns bridges, because after all, by making your rise through the ranks, someone else is coming down on the other end, someone who might not think he's ready to be losing games to a "hot shot." Being labeled as a "hot shot" is a double edged sword in that it means you're good, but it also means that you let everyone know it rather than having your work speak for itself. You don't want to be seen as a know it all.

On a similar note, although you clearly have a passion for officiating, don't let it totally consume everything you do. I remember at a camp this year (maybe Coast 2 Coast) one of the clinicians mentioned that "There are a lot of referee junkies here," referring to guys who let officiating interfere with other concerns. At every camp I've ever been at, the top guys always say that officiating has a place for them, behind a strong family, their job and often their religion. Don't let it be totally consuming.

Finally, and perhaps the best lesson I've learned so far as an official is that you're only as good as the person who hires you thinks you are, that matters even beyond what your own evaluation says, or even what the tape says. If it's a mens rec league, the league director, who's likely never officiated, is the judge, or even the players, at MS it's the MS assignor, at HS, the HS guy. Ultimately, the game you call and the way you call it has to suit their preferences, otherwise you will be out of that particular job. You are in for a unique challenge as such a young official moving on to HS because you will naturally be questioned and challenged because of your age, even if your calls are dead right and coaches will push you. You must respond with confidence, rather than cockyness, and above all, do what your supervisor wants and respect the other officials and learn from them.

I agree and it is going to be hard for me, because of knowing what i know and the andvanced techniques and philosophies I use will not more than likely be well liked by my HS assosciation. I also have no problem debating with officials on rules and interps, and that gets me in trouble alot but that is how I learn.

Thanks again for the advice I will try to do better.