act of shooting does basket count if it goes in

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
That's a fair point. So let's change the question. Did the ACT of shooting start before the foul?

Someone else would have to answer that question I did not see the play. Also this is a judgment call and we had the benefit of slow motion replay. The officials had one shot at the call. It sounds like this was very close.

Peace

[IREFU2]

Here was the orginial scenerio -

Indiana's #5 was posting down on the lower block. The ball was passed into another Indiana player. #5 was bocking out anticipating the pass and Williams (Duke) pulled #5 from around the waist to the opposite lane line as the other Indiana player was in the act of shooting, then a whistle was blown. In my opinion, he was shooting when the whistle sounded and the ball actually went into the basket. 2 out of the 3 replay definately showed him shooting.

[Forksref]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
JR's ruling is correct.

In the IU/Duke game, Donnie Gray made the correct call in my opinion.
The IU player had not yet begun the act of shooting on his drive when Sheldon Williams of Duke fouled another IU player under the basket.

It was a close call and tough break for IU, but correct by rule.

I don't think it was that close. The Duke player grabbed the IU player way before the act of shooting.

[Jurassic Referee]

Straight judgement call. The guys will find out whether they got it right or not from their league evaluator after he looks at the films. Anything until then is just conjecture.

[IREFU2]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Straight judgement call. The guys will find out whether they got it right or not from their league evaluator after he looks at the films. Anything until then is just conjecture.

Agreed!!!!!

[tomegun]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Straight judgement call. The guys will find out whether they got it right or not from their league evaluator after he looks at the films. Anything until then is just conjecture.

So now we are assuming an assigner is right all the time? I agree and know what you are saying, but it should also be said that even though the boss is always right, the boss isn't always right!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by tomegun

So now we are assuming an assigner is right all the time? I agree and know what you are saying, but it should also be said that even though the boss is always right, the boss isn't always right!

Well, Burr and Gray might have the cred to argue that one with their assignor/evaluator. It might not be a good idea for a whole buncha other officials though- especially the newer ones.

[walter]

In a lot of cases, especially for us newer guys trying to break in, if the assignor/supervisor says this is how it is, then that is how it is (if we want to keep working for him). Fair, maybe not. However, it is true in a lot of cases.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

That's a fair point. So let's change the question. Did the ACT of shooting start before the foul?

I based my original post upon my judgment of the start of the pulling action for the foul, not when the whistle came. To me the beginning of the foul happened prior to the act of shooting.