Backcourt or not?

[Jimgolf]

Originally posted by assignmentmaker
The following protocol appears to work just fine for BktBallRef's Backcourt Quiz:

1- Team A must have team control.
2- The ball must have attained frontcourt status.
3- A player from team A must be the last player to touch the ball before it
enters the backcourt.
4- A player from team A must be the first player to touch the ball after it
enters the backcourt.

but how might it be apply in the following situation?

The ball is being passed among teammates on Team A in their front court. B1 tips a pass such that the ball flies up and over the backcourt. A1 steps into the backcourt and catches the ball before it hits the floor. Backcourt or not, and why?

What if A1 jumps from the front court after B1 tips it, catches the ball in the air, then lands in the backcourt. When A1 catches the ball it still has FC status, since it hasn't hit the ground yet and A1 hasn't stepped into the backcourt yet. Violation?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Jimgolf

What if A1 jumps from the front court after B1 tips it, catches the ball in the air, then lands in the backcourt. When A1 catches the ball it still has FC status, since it hasn't hit the ground yet and A1 hasn't stepped into the backcourt yet. Violation?

Yes.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Jimgolf


What if A1 jumps from the front court after B1 tips it, catches the ball in the air, then lands in the backcourt. When A1 catches the ball it still has FC status, since it hasn't hit the ground yet and A1 hasn't stepped into the backcourt yet. Violation?

Hmmmm.... Where have we see this before? ....
Oh, yeah, way back on the first page of this thread:

Originally posted by Nevadaref

Now if we change your play such that A1 jumps from the frontcourt, catches the tipped ball in the air, and then lands in the backcourt, a violation has been committed.

[Jimgolf]

Sorry, Nevadaref. The first part of your post was addressing a different aspect of the play so I missed this explanation. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Nevadaref]

Just having some fun with you.

It happens all the time in long threads. People read part of it and then skip around. This leads to asking a question or making a point about something that was already made earlier.

We all do it. No worries.

[assignmentmaker]

Originally posted by Jimgolf

What if A1 jumps from the front court after B1 tips it, catches the ball in the air, then lands in the backcourt. When A1 catches the ball it still has FC status, since it hasn't hit the ground yet and A1 hasn't stepped into the backcourt yet. Violation?

A1 is clearly the last player HAVING FRONT COURT LOCATION to touch the ball, and then the first player HAVING BACKCOURT LOCATION to touch it. Backcourt. Q.E.D., ex post facto . . .

Ball location isn't an issue in the case you describe, and, because the matters of 'location' are handled inconsistenly, there is at least one undecidable proposition out there . . .

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by assignmentmaker

A1 is clearly the last player HAVING FRONT COURT LOCATION to touch the ball, and then the first player HAVING BACKCOURT LOCATION to touch it. Backcourt. Q.E.D., ex post facto . . .

Ball location isn't an issue in the case you describe, and, because the matters of 'location' are handled inconsistenly, there is at least one undecidable proposition out there . . .

Ball location is the only location that matters. Where the player touches dosn't matter.

In this case, A1 was the last to have touched the ball before it went to the backcourt and A1 was the first to touch the ball after the ball went into the backcourt. THe ball, for both parts of the situation, went into the backcourt the moment that A1 landed in the backcourt.

The fact that A1 had frontcout location only confuses the rule.

[Skarecrow]

Just a note....this is my first post--A GREEN HORN--I just wanted to thank Nevadaref for giving the best explanations of that whole thread.....A1 touched the ball WHEN it went backcourt...not BEFORE. A very good job, and IMHO, the definitive word on that subject...the middle of that thread got way too deep for me to follow...sorry....Skarecrow

[assignmentmaker]

Originally posted by Skarecrow
Just a note....this is my first post--A GREEN HORN--I just wanted to thank Nevadaref for giving the best explanations of that whole thread.....A1 touched the ball WHEN it went backcourt...not BEFORE. A very good job, and IMHO, the definitive word on that subject...the middle of that thread got way too deep for me to follow...sorry....Skarecrow

You mean it he touched it when it went into the backcourt after he touched it while it was in the front court?

But this is all solipsism. Study logic.