Then there's only 1 thing left to do, aint there Moe? You poke him in the eye, knock him on the head punch him in the stomach, go <font color = red>nyuck nyuck nyuck</font> and run away shouting "Woo-woo-woo-woo-woo!"

[/B][/QUOTE]If it was you, it'd be "nyork,nyork,nyork".

If it was you, it'd be "nyork,nyork,nyork". [/B][/QUOTE]

btw, did you get my email earlier?

btw, did you get my email earlier? [/B][/QUOTE]No, that e-mail addy has been screwing up lately every now and then. You sending me love and viruses again?

There's this wonderful new invention JR...it's called penicillin - should clear up all those love viruses you keep getting.

And as far as the original question goes - I agree with Dan...if you present it as "I know" vs. "I think", then the R's gonna listen...if not, then when the commish calls, my response is ALWAYS "WE screwed it up, boss"...never sell a partner down the river to the boss.

Well, if it's one of Dan's love viruses, I'd better rush-order a coupla 45 gallon drums of penicillin then.

Can you buy penicillin in tanker wagons, Rocky?

Well, yeah!!!
Steady customers get quantity discount offers all the time.
mick

Yabut.....if you do everything the way it's supposed to be done...get the R aside where it's just between the 2 of you gals....explain that you know you're 110%( :) ) right...offer to take any and all post-game flak if it does turn out that you're wrong....and the dickhead R still insists on doing it his way?
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Dan, in all seriousness, this happens to me efvery once in a while -- I know I'm right, but can't convince partner. Physically, in terms of body movements, and words spoken, what should I do? Just bulldoze the R and take over the sitch? Shout him down? What?

Dan, in all seriousness, this happens to me efvery once in a while -- I know I'm right, but can't convince partner. Physically, in terms of body movements, and words spoken, what should I do? Just bulldoze the R and take over the sitch? Shout him down? What? [/B][/QUOTE]

Jewel,
Seems to me that all you can do is your best to convince the partner and then be the first to call your Howard, ...efvery time it happens.
mick

Dan, in all seriousness, this happens to me efvery once in a while -- I know I'm right, but can't convince partner. Physically, in terms of body movements, and words spoken, what should I do? Just bulldoze the R and take over the sitch? Shout him down? What? [/B][/QUOTE]

Juulie, I cannot imagine that a happily married woman in 2005 would not know how to make her displeasure known in no uncertain terms.

But, if you need some words try this:

"Hey pard, you're f@ckin' this up big time, you should take my advice."

(Notice I used the apostrophe to lessen the blow.)

Yea, that apostrophe helps a lot. Thanks.

Yes assignor picked the veteran R official(who by the way thinks he is perfect), yes i told him i knew i was right, u2 didn't offer any advice (don't think he knew either way) That is all i could of done, "when crew can't decide the "R" makes the decision... So he did, coach called assignor, we both got phone calls, he has been repromanded for not doing the right thing!! But an arm wrestling event would of been nice out on the court in front of everyone!!!!! Hey, when someone is that stuck on themselves and won't admit when they are wrong, all you can do is give them the advice, whether they take it or not is up to them!!! Nothing else i could of done, IMO, unless i just sat down at mid court and refused to get up until he changed his mind! :)

Hmmmmm, that's "kinda" like being pregnant, isn't it?

JR "redflagged" some of what happened...I'll just expound on it a little, if I may.

You didn't stay out of it...you got involved in a discussion with your "friend", Coach A.
I'd kinda like to know what you told the Coach your "thoughts" were.

Did you tell him you thought you were right and your partner was wrong?
Did you suggest to him to call your assignor?

Sometimes a partner can be sold out with just a rolling of the eyes. We as officials have to be aware of our actions out there on the court...the only real friends you have out there should be each other...(At least for the duration of the game)

You can get into your "discussions" in the locker room. If you're not a strong enough official to get your point across on the court, then let the stronger official live and die with his/her decision. Sooner or later your rules knowledge will get you more respect, and the R's hopefully will start listening.

As for calling your assignor everytime another official doesn't listen to you...I don't know mick...that could be dangerous territory for an official trying to move up.

I liked Dan's response that the "crew" kicked it. That's the attitude of a guy I'd go to war with.

This is just my opinion jritchie...but when you said the R thinks he is perfect...it sounds like you two may have a personality conflict...be careful with these petty disagreements, and when you are correct in a call...know how to handle it...again, just my opinion.

Well Rook, Yes, the R has a personality conflict, but not just with me, it's everyone he works with, i'm one of these guys that can get along with everyone and will be behind partners no matter what, and that is exactly what i did until the game was over!!! Afterwards my partner and i discussed and disagreed still, he was going to make the choice no matter what i said, so YES THE CREW KICKED IT, but i did everything i could do short of embarassing the CREW... After he made his decision, the coach (friend) called me over and asked me what i thought, I didn't hang anyone out, i just told him that after discussion, that is what we were going with...he looked at me and gave me that look and said "you know that is not right", so i tried to tell him without blaming anyone, he is the ref and he has to make the FINAL DECISION on any discussion between us.... I in no way suggested to call any assignor, that was his decision, he called to get the ruling, and our assignor called the 'R' and he admitted he kicked it and told that i tried to help him out and he ignored it..end of discussion!!! The assignor took 2 games and told him the next time he didn't know a rule to listen to someone who did!