Batting the ball

[ThickSkin]

Two questions that I need help finding the ruling for:

Play 1
A-1 while dribbling bats the ball over B-1's head. A-1 takes several steps and catches the ball before it hits the floor. Official rules this a traveling violation. Is the official correct?

I say that the official is correct. However, I haven't been able to find a play like this in the case book or rule book.

Play 2
Team A scores, B-1 grabs the ball after it comes through the net and tosses it to teammate B-2, who is out of bounds. B-2 instead of catching the ball bats the ball inbounds to B-1. Official rules this a throw-in violation for not releasing the ball on a pass directly into the court. Is the official correct?

Again, I have yet to find this in the rule book or case book.

HELP!!!

[Jurassic Referee]

1) Rule 4-15-2

2)See the definition of a pass in R4-31- "A pass is the movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats or rolls the ball to another player.

[ThickSkin]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
1) Rule 4-15-2

2)See the definition of a pass in R4-31- "A pass is the movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats or rolls the ball to another player.

Thank you for the guidance! I appreciate it. I was correct in my thinking but I wanted to see it in print. Again, thank you.

[missinglink]

Correct in your thinking that your Play 1 is a violation (illegal dribble 4-15-2), but it is not a travel. 4-15-4 Note 1

[rainmaker]

I'm going to ask the dumb questions here to save embarrassment for others.. Isn't that noble of me?

#1 is a violation.... why? Did he bat it with two hands? When he batted it, was his hand under the ball? After he caught it with two hands, did he try to continue dribbling? I know we've gone over this before, but it apparently didn't sink in. Would some patiently condescend to explain this again? Thanks


#2. Legal play, right? Official is wrong?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by rainmaker
I'm going to ask the dumb questions here to save embarrassment for others.. Isn't that noble of me?

#1 is a violation.... why? Did he bat it with two hands? When he batted it, was his hand under the ball? After he caught it with two hands, did he try to continue dribbling? I know we've gone over this before, but it apparently didn't sink in. Would some patiently condescend to explain this again? Thanks


#2. Legal play, right? Official is wrong?

Rule 4, under definition of dribble, you'll find something that looks like this:

A dribbler is allowed to bat the ball provided he allows it to strike the floor one or more times.

#2 Official is wrong.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Rule 4, under definition of dribble, you'll find something that looks like this:

A dribbler is allowed to bat the ball provided he allows it to strike the floor one or more times.

#2 Official is wrong.

Thanks, Dan. I knew that. I was just trying to help out the newbies.