False Double Technical??? - Page 2

ChuckElias · #16 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 20, 2005, 09:04am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Chuck, sometimes you just have to talk very s-l-o-o-o-w-l-y to Dan.

I know, but that usually happens after the 14th round at the watering hole after a day of camp.

Jurassic Referee · #17 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 20, 2005, 09:17am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Chuck, sometimes you just have to talk very s-l-o-o-o-w-l-y to Dan.

I know, but that usually happens after the 14th round at the watering hole after a day of camp.

Is that when you're making small talk?

M&M Guy · #18 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 20, 2005, 10:02am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Chuck, sometimes you just have to talk very s-l-o-o-o-w-l-y to Dan.

I know, but that usually happens after the 14th round at the watering hole after a day of camp.

Is that when you're making small talk?

Now, JR, be nice to Chuck. You don't know if he's got a short temper...

Dan_ref · #19 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 20, 2005, 10:03am

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Originally posted by M&M Guy

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Chuck, sometimes you just have to talk very s-l-o-o-o-w-l-y to Dan.

I know, but that usually happens after the 14th round at the watering hole after a day of camp.

Is that when you're making small talk?

Now, JR, be nice to Chuck. You don't know if he's got a short temper...

Who's Chuck?

walter · #20 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 20, 2005, 10:26am

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Originally posted by joseph2493

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Why didn't you just have the mother removed from the gym? See previous reply

Where was game/site administration?Standing there escorting the mother out after we gave the T

Was the elbow deliberately thrown?How do you not delibertely swing your elbow, the connection was definitely deliberate.

If so, did you eject the player who threw it?yes

I realize it's easy to ask these questions when you are not in the heat of the kitchen.?

The technical on the fan is a pretty harsh penalty and should not be done lightly.You think

Here you have the mother of a player who just took an elbow in the eye. Obviously she was extremely upset and emotional. I just think that the better play here was to tell her get back to the stands or you would have her ejected or to just eject her from the game site.I told her to go back to the stands before she did not, I issued the T

What was the team B coach's reaction to the "T" because of his fan? I think the quote was "It's about time"

Other than these comments, with the way you called it, I believe you administered it correctly. thank you

Once you said rec league almost no further explanation was necessary. Typical game administration in those situations. I like the penalty on fans though. At least the league is trying to do something. I wish more would. Nice job.

JCrow · #21 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 21, 2005, 02:39pm

My dear Mom use to see all my brother's games when he played in High School. I specifically instructed my Assignor to keep me out of my brother's League but what can I say....the guy drank alot.

One night, I got assigned to my brother's Big Game. I spoke to both Coaches and told them who I was. They respected my Integrity and had no problem.

My brother was having a rough night. I had 4 early fouls on him. Then a 280 lb. kid on the other Team creamed him on a perfectly legally set blind screen. It was good a good screen, the kid gave him 2 strides easy. My brother was out cold on the floor with a broken jaw. My Mom rushes onto the Court and hits me with her purse for not calling a foul. It really hurt. I motioned to the Cops to hual her away and mentioned that she always carried a Glock in her purse. They booked her on assault and battery and she spent a night in the slammer until my old man was able to borrow bail money.

My family still laughs about it at Thanksgiving and Christmas (I'm told).

refTN · #22 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 21, 2005, 09:11pm

joseph, you handled that greatly from what i can tell. That is the exact definition of a false double. The only thing I would have done differently was tossed the girl for throwing an elbow if the following is true. Most everybody here doesn't enjoy or like it, but I am a hardcore lover of the NBA rules, and by their rules this is an easy ejection with no judgement involved. It is an elbow foul that made contact above the shoulder, which is grounds for automatic ejection. As far as high school goes in determining if I would eject him/her or not, I would use what the NBA uses to judge whether a foul is intentional or not. It is called W-I-F=Wind up, Impact, and Follow through. I personally think it is very helpful,JMO.

Mregor · #23 (**permalink**) Fri Oct 21, 2005, 10:34pm

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Originally posted by Junker
Procedure wise, you hit it right on the head. If the league wants the T called on fans, it was right, but in a NFHS game would you call the T or just toss the mom?

If you need the mom removed, you have game administration do it. You don't do it yourself.

Mregor

ChuckElias · #24 (**permalink**) Sat Oct 22, 2005, 10:10am

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Originally posted by refTN
I am a hardcore lover of the NBA rules, and by their rules this is an easy ejection with no judgement involved. It is an elbow foul that made contact above the shoulder, which is grounds for automatic ejection.

Even in this case, there would be judgment involved. If you ruled it an elbow foul, then you have eject the offender. But the official could simply call it a flagrant 1 if s/he didn't think the swing was worthy of ejection.

joseph2493 · #25 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 24, 2005, 10:12am

I had no judgment to make the girl had all intentions of hitting the girl...flagrant T no question...(but in some situations judgement is required)

As for mom...Administration removed the girl as soon as I reported the T...I didn't have to say a word...