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joseph2493 Thu Oct 20, 2005 07:20am

Partner calls a jump ball.

Shortly thereafter A1 swings elbow at B1 and connects in the eye. I blow the technical. As my partner and I approach the player on the floor her mother comes across the court (obviously not being asked to) and commences to tell us what she thinks of the calling for the night (where 2 minutes into the game).

Having full knowledge of who she is a fan of I we call a technical on team B. Now here is the question...because it was a false we shot allowed team B to shoot there two free-throws with the lain cleared, then team A shot there two free-throws with the lain cleared...team A gets the ball at midcourt opposite and there is not change to the AP...

Was this the correct scenario with it being a False Double

Jurassic Referee Thu Oct 20, 2005 07:39am

Yes.

ChuckElias Thu Oct 20, 2005 07:55am

Was the injured player's mother a coach or other bench personnel?

Junker Thu Oct 20, 2005 08:10am

Why blow the T on the mom? Just kick her out.

walter Thu Oct 20, 2005 08:15am

Why didn't you just have the mother removed from the gym? Where was game/site administration? Was the elbow deliberately thrown? If so, did you eject the player who threw it? I realize it's easy to ask these questions when you are not in the heat of the kitchen. The technical on the fan is a pretty harsh penalty and should not be done lightly. Here you have the mother of a player who just took an elbow in the eye. Obviously she was extremely upset and emotional. I just think that the better play here was to tell her get back to the stands or you would have her ejected or to just eject her from the game site. What was the team B coach's reaction to the "T" because of his fan? Other than these comments, with the way you called it, I believe you administered it correctly.

joseph2493 Thu Oct 20, 2005 08:18am

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Originally posted by Junker
Why blow the T on the mom? Just kick her out.
Rec League...Parents are told that if they come onto the court there team will receive a "T"...they have been having a problem controlling there parents in recent years...

joseph2493 Thu Oct 20, 2005 08:22am

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Originally posted by walter
Why didn't you just have the mother removed from the gym? See previous reply

Where was game/site administration?Standing there escorting the mother out after we gave the T

Was the elbow deliberately thrown?How do you not delibertely swing your elbow, the connection was definitely deliberate.

If so, did you eject the player who threw it?yes

I realize it's easy to ask these questions when you are not in the heat of the kitchen.?

The technical on the fan is a pretty harsh penalty and should not be done lightly.You think

Here you have the mother of a player who just took an elbow in the eye. Obviously she was extremely upset and emotional. I just think that the better play here was to tell her get back to the stands or you would have her ejected or to just eject her from the game site.I told her to go back to the stands before she did not, I issued the T

What was the team B coach's reaction to the "T" because of his fan? I think the quote was "It's about time"

Other than these comments, with the way you called it, I believe you administered it correctly. thank you

joseph2493 Thu Oct 20, 2005 08:24am

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Was the injured player's mother a coach or other bench personnel?
NO

Junker Thu Oct 20, 2005 08:35am

Procedure wise, you hit it right on the head. If the league wants the T called on fans, it was right, but in a NFHS game would you call the T or just toss the mom? I was addressing the situation from NFHS rules.

joseph2493 Thu Oct 20, 2005 08:45am

Quote:

Originally posted by Junker
Procedure wise, you hit it right on the head. If the league wants the T called on fans, it was right, but in a NFHS game would you call the T or just toss the mom? I was addressing the situation from NFHS rules.
In a High School game I would have thought twice before calling the T (I'm sorry: on the mom)...I felt like we had the T because of league rules...

My big issue was making sure that procedure (as you said) was right...first time I had a false double...

[Edited by joseph2493 on Oct 20th, 2005 at 10:15 AM]

Dan_ref Thu Oct 20, 2005 08:57am

Quote:

Originally posted by joseph2493
Quote:

Originally posted by Junker
Procedure wise, you hit it right on the head. If the league wants the T called on fans, it was right, but in a NFHS game would you call the T or just toss the mom? I was addressing the situation from NFHS rules.
In a High School game I would have thought twice before calling the T...I felt like we had the T because of league rules...

My big issue was making sure that procedure (as you said) was right...first time I had a false double...

Now I'm confused (again).

Was the contact during a dead ball? If so how could this NOT be a T anywhere on the planet? Maybe even flagrant.


ChuckElias Thu Oct 20, 2005 08:58am

Joseph, given the league's rule about fans on the court, you called it -- and then administered it -- perfectly. Good job.

ChuckElias Thu Oct 20, 2005 08:59am

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
Quote:

Originally posted by joseph2493
In a High School game I would have thought twice before calling the T...
Now I'm confused (again).

Was the contact during a dead ball? If so how could this NOT be a T anywhere on the planet?

Dan, the T that he would've thought twice about was the one on the mom. Not the elbow. Better? :)

Snake~eyes Thu Oct 20, 2005 09:01am

Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Quote:

Originally posted by joseph2493
Quote:

Originally posted by Junker
Procedure wise, you hit it right on the head. If the league wants the T called on fans, it was right, but in a NFHS game would you call the T or just toss the mom? I was addressing the situation from NFHS rules.
In a High School game I would have thought twice before calling the T...I felt like we had the T because of league rules...

My big issue was making sure that procedure (as you said) was right...first time I had a false double...

Now I'm confused (again).

Was the contact during a dead ball? If so how could this NOT be a T anywhere on the planet? Maybe even flagrant.


Dan, according to his first post contact occurd after a jump ball. When he said he would have thought twice about calling the T he is not talking about the first elbow he is talking about the parent coming on the floor.

Jurassic Referee Thu Oct 20, 2005 09:02am

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Quote:

Originally posted by joseph2493
In a High School game I would have thought twice before calling the T...
Now I'm confused (again).

Was the contact during a dead ball? If so how could this NOT be a T anywhere on the planet?

Dan, the T that he would've thought twice about was the one on the mom. Not the elbow. Better?

Chuck, sometimes you just have to talk very s-l-o-o-o-w-l-y to Dan.


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