Legal stance? from IAABO Refresher -2005 - Page 2

rainmaker · #1 (**permalink**) Sat Oct 15, 2005, 09:03pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Again, this question is completely stoopid. There is NO definitive answer to it. Just opinions.

It's also stoopid question because it's not likely to happen. Even if there is a rules reference for this, it's not something anyone needs to know.

Jurassic Referee · #2 (**permalink**) Sat Oct 15, 2005, 09:55pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Again, this question is completely stoopid. There is NO definitive answer to it. Just opinions.

It's also stoopid question because it's not likely to happen. Even if there is a rules reference for this, it's not something anyone needs to know.

You never know when a real life situation will come up though.

IAABO QUESTION #51
Dribbler A1 jumps off 2 teammates, A2 and A3, who are down on all fours on the floor, and then A1 dunks the ball. The official (from Ohio) called four technical fouls- one on each of the players on the floor for lifting a teammate, one on the dribbler for climbing on a teammate and another one on the dribbler for dunking a dead ball. Was this official correct?

The relevant rules citations are R10-3-7(e) and R10-3-4.

Couldn't help myself.

rainmaker · #3 (**permalink**) Sat Oct 15, 2005, 10:11pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by rainmaker

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Again, this question is completely stoopid. There is NO definitive answer to it. Just opinions.

It's also stoopid question because it's not likely to happen. Even if there is a rules reference for this, it's not something anyone needs to know.

You never know when a real life situation will come up though.

Yea, I guess. I just think that the time it takes to construct a test, and the time spent by the test-takers in studying and then "writing" the test is better spent on situations that are more likely to occur. It just seems incredibly foolhardy to expect people to bone up on these kinds of things when there are real issues that need addressing, such as the ins and outs of the backcourt violation, and the ups and downs of travelling.

Kelvin green · #4 (**permalink**) Sat Oct 15, 2005, 11:03pm

my two cents

Before I call the illegal screen, I am whacking them with a Unsportsmalike T for turning the game into a travesty.

If I heard the coach tell them, Id whack him, thenhe'd complain and I'd run him.

If we are taking a poll, my vote is that this is a stuped question

assignmentmaker · #5 (**permalink**) Sat Oct 15, 2005, 11:37pm

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I am glad that everyone who has replied is so smug and so arrogant and so sure of their rules knowledge that they feel no need to actually answer the question. Refresher exams often pose seemingly silly or unlikely-in-real-life scenarios. Yet, there isn't a season that goes by where I do not encounter some wierd, strange or obscure play that involves a complete knowledge of the rules as well as the confidence to tell the coach that despite "never having seen that call in 20 years," it is indeed correct by rule..

But then I do not have the luxury of picking all my assignments, so I don't always have AAAA state champion games played above the rim, by well-coached teams with great body control and outstanding basketball skills. Sometimes, it's a 5th grade girls travel game where ponytails may actually touch out of bounds while they are holding the ball inbounds.

As for the specific question, I cannot find anything that makes this "screen" illegal. Assuming all the other rules for a legal screen are met (no contact, distance, time, stationary and, in the frontcourt, not controling the ball for 5 seconds behind the screening teammates), I have nothing.

Of course, to reach this opinion, I had to look up a number of rules and definitions -- which presumably is the point of the review question.

I guess you didn't look up R10-6-1, eh? I think I can make an argument outa part of the language in that particular cite to state that this type of screen really is illegal.

I also agree that IAABO refresher exams post silly and unlikely rules scenarios. They should, however, post questions that do have a definitive rules answer.

This question is stoopid. It does NOT have a definitive answer. It doesn't really test anyone's rules knowledge. It's a waste of time. Anybody that thinks differently is smug and arrogant.

"Anybody that thinks differently is smug and arrogant."

I love it when you kid around.

ChuckElias · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Oct 16, 2005, 07:29am

JR's point about being bent into an unnatural position is a good one. I was sort of on the fence b/c of the sitch where a defender falls down and the dribbler trips over him. But in that case, I guess you could say that just lying there isn't unnatural and that's why he isn't penalized.

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Originally posted by Kelvin green
my two cents

Before I call the illegal screen, I am whacking them with a Unsportsmalike T for turning the game into a travesty.

I've said this before, but the penalty for making a travesty of the game is not a T. It's a forfeit.