The Test

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by stripes
I have never understood why this had been such a big deal each year. If your motives are not good, you will still find a way to get the answers. If you have the answers and someone else wants them to aid in their rules study, why not give it to them?

Why all the drama every fall?

Why? Because several of us try to maintain an ethical standard not only for ourselves but our avocation. I believe it is as unetical to knowingly provide the means to cheat as it is to cheat. Sure, cheaters might find the answers anyway but that doesn't make it right. Plus, if we don't make them available freely, they might actually have to open a rulebook to pass the test on their own.

While it is certainly true that the test doesn't indicate a quality official, it does create a minumum standard. The passing score is usually a 70. Being a T/F test, you would score about 50 if you simply marked the answers randomly...without ever reading a question. So, to pass the test, you only have to know about 40% of them and guess on the rest.

[stripes]

Originally posted by BktBallRef


You're right. Yours is a pretty ****ing stupid example.

Officials get assingments based on rankings. Offiicals get post season assignments based on classifications. Officials get state championship games based on criteria which include taking a closed book NFHS exam in some states. But as long as there are idiots like you who see nothing wrong with giving out the answers, then I guess there are officials like you who will continue to get games they don't deserve. That's for you, drama queen.

In your area, maybe. In my area maybe, but not everywhere. People in several areas use the Part I test as a study aid. I am by no means advocating cheating in any form, but if you are in an area where the test doesn't mean anything towards your assignments, state tournament, etc. why not ask for and receive answers to help you in your rules study. IMO, we make way too much of this. My area happens to be one where the test means a little towards rankings, etc., but we take the Part I open book and can freely discuss the questions in groups.

I cna see that I have touched a sensative subject for you. I'm sorry that my schedule has been so upsetting for you. Since you know me so well and have seen my work on the court, you are absolutely qualified to decide what games I should, or shouldn't, get because idiots like me shouldn't get any games. This is exactly the kind of BS that gets spewed when someone gets their feelings hurt when someone else disagrees with an opinion. I think the drama queen tag has been misplaced.

Bottom line as far as I am concerned is don't share information that you are not comfortable sharing. If you want information, ask for it. You have to look at yourself in the mirror. You know if you are cheating. Govern yourself accordingly. No big deal.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Camron Rust
Just to come to W&S's defense...he didn't ask for the answers; he asked for the test. Of course, that didn't stop people from responding as if he did ask for the answers.



[Edited by Camron Rust on Oct 6th, 2005 at 03:40 AM]

You are right, I do not mean to imply W&S is asking for answers.

[bigwhistle]

So we can end all the bickering, I am going to now post the answers to the test..

True and False.....You just have to figure out where to put the answers

[stripes]

Thanks Big Whistle, for the help. I'm sure that many here appreciate it.

[Junker]

That's pretty good Bigwhistle. I'll be stealing that for the next T-F test I give my students. Just for the record, in my area and the guys I usually work with use part I as a study aid. We usually do it on our own and then get together and talk about the ones we're not sure about. In Iowa they look at part II for your classification. Speaking of which, I should take it again one of these years to up my score.

[David B]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

Why? Because several of us try to maintain an ethical standard not only for ourselves but our avocation. I believe it is as unetical to knowingly provide the means to cheat as it is to cheat. Sure, cheaters might find the answers anyway but that doesn't make it right. Plus, if we don't make them available freely, they might actually have to open a rulebook to pass the test on their own.

While it is certainly true that the test doesn't indicate a quality official, it does create a minumum standard. The passing score is usually a 70. Being a T/F test, you would score about 50 if you simply marked the answers randomly...without ever reading a question. So, to pass the test, you only have to know about 40% of them and guess on the rest.

I agree totally. There might be areas that use these for assignments, which is unfortunate. We know that simply making good on a test does not make a good official.

Personally, its great to be able to use the questions for studying.

I learn something new every year from give and take on questions from the tests.

Thanks
David

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by stripes
In your area, maybe. In my area maybe, but not everywhere. People in several areas use the Part I test as a study aid. I am by no means advocating cheating in any form, but if you are in an area where the test doesn't mean anything towards your assignments, state tournament, etc. why not ask for and receive answers to help you in your rules study.

Great! Then ask for them, ONE ON ONE. Don't be a party to having them posted on a national discussion board for everyone, everywhere to see. That's the point!

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Great! Then ask for them, ONE ON ONE. Don't be a party to having them posted on a national discussion board for everyone, everywhere to see. That's the point!

Those that do not like the post do not have to read it. If you feel it is cheating, then it should not matter what form it is done. Who cares if the information is given here or in private, it still would be cheating right? At least according to you right?

Peace

[FrankHtown]

I was just thinking for you oldsters..remember in Animal House when they planted the wrong test in the trash bin, so the Delta's would get the wrong test results.....

[zebraman]

Please pass me a diet coke.

Z

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Great! Then ask for them, ONE ON ONE. Don't be a party to having them posted on a national discussion board for everyone, everywhere to see. That's the point!

Amen!!!!

The opportunity to cheat is there if the answers are given out.

Some states won't write this exam until next month, and the exam must be passed to be certified in that area. Just because your area doesn't use this exam for evaluation reasons doesn't mean that all areas do the same.

Having said that, some idiot posts the answers every year anyway. This year probably won't be any different anyway.

[FrankHtown]

ok...here we go..1 is true, 2 is True, 3 is False,..crap....my penny just fell behind the desk

[stripes]

Originally posted by JRutledge

Those that do not like the post do not have to read it. If you feel it is cheating, then it should not matter what form it is done. Who cares if the information is given here or in private, it still would be cheating right? At least according to you right?

Peace

I wish I had thought to write that. If you don't want to see it or if you think it is cheating...DON'T LOOK AT IT.

What is the difference between "one on one" and 100 at a time. None as far as I am concerned.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by stripes
I wish I had thought to write that. If you don't want to see it or if you think it is cheating...DON'T LOOK AT IT.

What is the difference between "one on one" and 100 at a time. None as far as I am concerned.

That sounded just as stupid when you said it as it did when Rut said it.

I will have Part 1 and answers when my rule books arrive. So for me, it makes no difference whether I see it or not. But I'm not going to post it for others to see who may be using it for advancement. If you can't see that, then you're a lot dumber than I originally thought.

One on one is the same as posting it on the Internet? Damn, that's dumb. If I know that I'm giving it to someone who has no other purpose than to use it to practice, that is not the same as poosting on the Internet. That's real dumb to think it's the same.

IF YOU POST IT, PEOPLE WILL USE IT TO CHEAT. Why would you want to be a party to that?