Bob's Fighting Summary

[ChuckElias]

Although we hope that it never happens to us, we ought to know exactly how to sort through the penalties after a fight. In past seasons, Bob Jenkins has been kind enough to give a very clear explanation of who receives what kind of T and how FTs are determined.

Bob, since the new season is nearly (or already, in MI) upon us, would you be so kind as to post that explanation again for those who haven't seen it?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Although we hope that it never happens to us, we ought to know exactly how to sort through the penalties after a fight. In past seasons, Bob Jenkins has been kind enough to give a very clear explanation of who receives what kind of T and how FTs are determined.

Bob, since the new season is nearly (or already, in MI) upon us, would you be so kind as to post that explanation again for those who haven't seen it?

Can't you just use the search function to find it?

I'll have to look for an electronic version to post.

[crazy voyager]

fighting for me= fighting fouls to evryone involved- get 'em out, file a report, that's it, well-I', sure it's not that simple in reality (I've never had a fight, or seen one) but that's how I should do anyway

[BktBallRef]

There are different rules that apply to different situations. That's what Chuck is referring to.

Has nothing to do with FEEBLE.

[CK]

Chuck, I am not sure if this is it, but this is what I dug up from my Computer of things I have saved from the forum in the past. Not sure who the author is, but here you go.

CK

Divide the participants into four categories:
A) Players on the floor who fight
B) Bench personnel who leave, but do not fight
C) Bench personnel who leave and fight
D) (Head) Coach who leaves the bench (by rule it matters not whether he fights or not; in practice if he doesn't fight, I'm considering him / her to be "beckoned")
Treat each category separately:
A) Flagrant foul for each participant; team foul for each participant; one "T to be shot" for each participant; no indirects
B) Flagrant foul for each; team foul for each; one "T to be shot" for whichever side has the fewest in this category (zero if the sides are even); one indirect, no matter how many in this category
C) Flagrant foul for each; team foul for each; one "T to be shot" for each; one indirect for each
D) Flagrant foul for each; team foul for each; one "T to be shot" for each; no indirects (since it's a direct T).
Eject all the flagrant fouls; add up all the team fouls and put them in the books; record all the indirects (EJ if >=3).
Add up all the "T to be shot" for each team. Offset what you can. Shoot the rest (if any).
Arrow if they all offset. Ball to team that shoots any free throws.
Spend rest of evening writing the report.
Best advice -- stop the fight before it happens (just as with correctable errors).

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by CK
Chuck, I am not sure if this is it, but this is what I dug up from my Computer of things I have saved from the forum in the past. Not sure who the author is, but here you go.

CK

Divide the participants into four categories:
A) Players on the floor who fight
B) Bench personnel who leave, but do not fight
C) Bench personnel who leave and fight
D) (Head) Coach who leaves the bench (by rule it matters not whether he fights or not; in practice if he doesn't fight, I'm considering him / her to be "beckoned")
Treat each category separately:
A) Flagrant foul for each participant; team foul for each participant; one "T to be shot" for each participant; no indirects
B) Flagrant foul for each; team foul for each; one "T to be shot" for whichever side has the fewest in this category (zero if the sides are even); one indirect, no matter how many in this category
C) Flagrant foul for each; team foul for each; one "T to be shot" for each; one indirect for each
D) Flagrant foul for each; team foul for each; one "T to be shot" for each; no indirects (since it's a direct T).
Eject all the flagrant fouls; add up all the team fouls and put them in the books; record all the indirects (EJ if >=3).
Add up all the "T to be shot" for each team. Offset what you can. Shoot the rest (if any).
Arrow if they all offset. Ball to team that shoots any free throws.
Spend rest of evening writing the report.
Best advice -- stop the fight before it happens (just as with correctable errors).

Upon quick persusal, that looks good to me.

[David M]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

Upon quick persusal, that looks good to me.

One question. Would the team with the ball at the point of interruption now get the ball instead of using the arrow?

[Ref in PA]

Originally posted by David M

One question. Would the team with the ball at the point of interruption now get the ball instead of using the arrow?

Not under NFHS rules - don't know for NCAA.

One other addition, if no fight occurs, just A1 and B1 squaring off, and bench personnel get up and leave the bench area, the bench personnel are tossed and are treated as situation B above - even though a fight never broke out.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Ref in PA
Would the team with the ball at the point of interruption now get the ball instead of using the arrow?

Not under NFHS rules - don't know for NCAA. [/B][/QUOTE]
Why not? If all the T's offset, then doesn't the new POI rule kick in?

[tjones1]

I'm with Chuck, if they offset, the new POI should come in.

[Ref in PA]

I stand corrected, forgot that was one of the new rule changes this year.