Who brings in frontcourt substitutes in a three person game?

[Old Dude Ref]

Which officials bring in the subs in the frontcourt in a 3-person game? It seems to vary. NFHS mechanics only please.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by Old Dude Ref
Which officials bring in the subs in the frontcourt in a 3-person game? It seems to vary. NFHS mechanics only please.

There may be a chance I'm wrong for NFHS, but, if there's a dead ball, and the ball's staying in the frontcourt, I have always used the mechanic where the official closest to the table waves in the subs. That means it could be either T or C.

[Old Dude Ref]

Does that mean if the T is administering table side he/she brings in the subs too? Why should the T be responsible for both the TI and the subs? Thanks

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Old Dude Ref
Does that mean if the T is administering table side he/she brings in the subs too? Why should the T be responsible for both the TI and the subs? Thanks

Obviously, you should use whichever mechanic you and your partners agree upon.

As to the trail bringing in subs and administering the throw-in - it all but prevents having someone try to wave in a sub after the ball is in play.

[Snake~eyes]

Originally posted by Old Dude Ref
Does that mean if the T is administering table side he/she brings in the subs too? Why should the T be responsible for both the TI and the subs? Thanks

What we do around here is, tableside official brings subs in unless he has the ball for an inbound, in which case the center brings them in.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally posted by Snake~eyes

What we do around here is, tableside official brings subs in unless he has the ball for an inbound, in which case the center brings them in.

Why would an official all the way across the floor wave in the subs when there is another official 20 feet away to do it?

Is there a specific rationale for doing this?

[Old Dude Ref]

Snake-eyes. I like your thinking and that's what I think should be done.

Can - The C across from the table would be the non-administering official and be facing the table. They would get a real good view of the bench.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally posted by Old Dude Ref
The C across from the table would be the non-administering official and be facing the table. They would get a real good view of the bench.

Or the trail could just have a normal level of game awareness and turn around to check for subs - and wave them in if there are any waiting - if there hasn't already been a horn by the scorekeepers.

Sorry, if you prefer that way, no big deal....I just think it's odd to have someone 60 feet away wave the subs in when his partner is RIGHT THERE.

[zebraman]

The official closest to the table brings them in unless that official is going to be administering a throw-in. If they are administering, the opposite official brings them in.

Z

[Dribble]

Originally posted by canuckrefguy


Or the trail could just have a normal level of game awareness and turn around to check for subs - and wave them in if there are any waiting - if there hasn't already been a horn by the scorekeepers.

Sorry, if you prefer that way, no big deal....I just think it's odd to have someone 60 feet away wave the subs in when his partner is RIGHT THERE.

The rationale behind not administering the subs when you have the ball is that it looks sloppy and is mechanically unfeasable. One hand on the ball and waving in players with the other is plain ugly and you can't have a stop clock because your off-hand is holding the ball.

The proper game awareness in that situation is to motion to the C to bring in the subs.

[Edited by Dribble on Jul 16th, 2005 at 11:42 PM]

[zebraman]

Actually, the proper game awareness is for the C to notice them on his/her own and bring them in.

In addition to the reasons Dribble mentioned, the game moves along more expeditiously if the T prepares for the throw-in rather than bringing subs and then turning to administer. (kinda similar to the L getting everyone ready for the free three while the tableside official is reporting a foul).

Z

Originally posted by Dribble

The rational behind not administering the subs when you have the ball is that it looks sloppy and is mechanically unfeasable. One hand on the ball and waving in players with the other is plain ugly and you can't have a stop clock because your off-hand is holding the ball.

The proper game awareness in that situation is to motion to the C to bring in the subs.

[canuckrefguy]

Hmmm, not sure I buy your rationale, but we can disagree.

Incidentally, the CCA Mens Crew of Three manual does not specify a procedure for bringing in subs, except to say that the crew should ensure that the ball is not about to be put im play, and that the subs have reported to the table before entering.

You do it your way, I'll do it mine....in the end, the really important thing is to pregame it and be on the same page!

You say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to....

[canuckrefguy]

Hmmm, not sure I buy your rationale, but we can disagree.

Incidentally, the CCA Mens Crew of Three manual does not specify a procedure for bringing in subs, except to say that the crew should ensure that the ball is not about to be put im play, and that the subs have reported to the table before entering.

You do it your way, I'll do it mine....in the end, the really important thing is to pregame it and be on the same page!

You say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to....

[SavaahnTy]

I am going to have to agree that the official ( t/c ) that is not administering the throw-in should bring the subs in, for this situation.

However, there is another concept to having the person with the ball bringing the subs in, in ALL situations..not just one such as this:

It prevents the ball from being placed at the disposal of the thrower-in prior to 1) players getting off the floor 2) not enough players on court yet, etc. This eliminates any need for specific communication ( stop sign ) for substitutions...your bringing the ball in, you get the subs, and you make sure everything is ok ( 10 players, 5 a piece ) before you place the ball in.

Any thoughts about this mechanic?

Savaahn Ty
" Just a student of the game, always looking to improve "

[zebraman]

Originally posted by SavaahnTy

I am going to have to agree that the official ( t/c ) that is not administering the throw-in should bring the subs in, for this situation.

However, there is another concept to having the person with the ball bringing the subs in, in ALL situations..not just one such as this:

It prevents the ball from being placed at the disposal of the thrower-in prior to 1) players getting off the floor 2) not enough players on court yet, etc. This eliminates any need for specific communication ( stop sign ) for substitutions...your bringing the ball in, you get the subs, and you make sure everything is ok ( 10 players, 5 a piece ) before you place the ball in.

Any thoughts about this mechanic?

Savaahn Ty
" Just a student of the game, always looking to improve "

If officials are communicating properly, the official who is administering the throw-in should never bring it in until his/her partner(s) have indicated readiness anyway. You don't want to eliminate any forms of non-verbal communication, you want to have as much of that as possible.

Z