1 or 2 Hands Revisited

[Dan_ref]

OK, makes sense.

Thanks.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by M&M Guy

(pant...pant...) I guess that's it, (wheeze...) because I've been working out all summer (gasp...pant...) trying to get my times up to that 75 seconds.

I'm sure your wife will be pleased.

[M&M Guy]

Hey!

Just be glad I'm not bringing this back on topic - 1 hand or 2...

[rockyroad]

The stated reason for the ball on the floor is so coaches know where the inbound spot will be, regardless of whether officials are having a conference, or the administering official has gone to get a drink or gone to the table for some reason, etc., etc...

As for the no more lock-down, Chuck it means no more lock-down in final seconds of a period or game...so if there is a rotation, the new C will now have the clock for last second shots. If you rotate again, the NEW C will have the last second shot...The memo also says the T and L should be ready to "provide assistance to the C on the release"...

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by rockyroad
As for the no more lock-down, Chuck it means no more lock-down in final seconds of a period or game...so if there is a rotation, the new C will now have the clock for last second shots. If you rotate again, the NEW C will have the last second shot...

Gotta say, Rock, that sounds dumb to me. Either lock down so you know for sure who the C is going to be when the horn goes off, or make the opposite official responsible whether s/he is T or C. Your new method leaves too much room for confusion. Good luck when you get a newbie who rotates with 0.5 left in the game.

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Gotta say, Rock, that sounds dumb to me. Either lock down so you know for sure who the C is going to be when the horn goes off, or make the opposite official responsible whether s/he is T or C. Your new method leaves too much room for confusion. Good luck when you get a newbie who rotates with 0.5 left in the game.

Can't honestly say I'm all excited about it either...my GUESS is that after a few summer tournaments, the powers-that-be will issue some sort of clarification, hopefully along the lines that once we have communicated who has the last second shot, that doesn't change even if there is a rotation...but that's just me hoping...

[drothamel]

Let me preface by saying I don't do any college ball, but I thought that the men's mechanic is to have the last second call come from the offical who has primary responsibility for the area from which the shot is taken. That seems to make the most sense to me. I was in a crew that caught some crap for a last second call that the C made, who was opposite table, but the shot came from the tableside baseline corner. I never really understood why the call isn't made by the primary official all the time.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Gotta say, Rock, that sounds dumb to me. Either lock down so you know for sure who the C is going to be when the horn goes off, or make the opposite official responsible whether s/he is T or C. Your new method leaves too much room for confusion. Good luck when you get a newbie who rotates with 0.5 left in the game.

I'd be willing to bet the reasoning is because there were too many L's who considered the lock-down as an opportunity to just stay where they were instead of coming over ball-side to officiate. The officials that I have worked with have all pre-gamed that issue, and we've agreed that we should be ball-side, with the C and T staying put to avoid confusion on the last shot. If there is a change of possesion, the L just comes back across and fills their old spot. I just wonder if there will be more problems with last shots this way, rather than the problems associated with not rotating in the last few seconds.

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by drothamel
Let me preface by saying I don't do any college ball, but I thought that the men's mechanic is to have the last second call come from the offical who has primary responsibility for the area from which the shot is taken. That seems to make the most sense to me. I was in a crew that caught some crap for a last second call that the C made, who was opposite table, but the shot came from the tableside baseline corner. I never really understood why the call isn't made by the primary official all the time.

I'm not sure about the men's mechanic, but the idea of the primary official making the call makes some sense in a half-court offense, but what about in transition? Or what about a shot that comes from the "gray areas"? For the same reasons you could get a double whistle on a foul, you could have two whistles on a last shot. And, what do you do when you signal a good shot, and your partner is waving it off? Isn't that where the fun and frivolity ensues? I've always liked the fact that one person is responsible for that last shot, even if it is outside their area of responsibility.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by drothamel
Let me preface by saying I don't do any college ball, but I thought that the men's mechanic is to have the last second call come from the offical who has primary responsibility for the area from which the shot is taken. That seems to make the most sense to me. I was in a crew that caught some crap for a last second call that the C made, who was opposite table, but the shot came from the tableside baseline corner. I never really understood why the call isn't made by the primary official all the time.

The men's mechanic is the C or T opposite the table has the last second shot under normal circumstances.

Which means we can rotate & the same person keeps the last shot, because he'll simply move from C to T and back again while staying opposite the table.

In your case, unless we arranged otherwise beforehand the C opposite has the call.

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by M&M Guy
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I'd be willing to bet the reasoning is because there were too many L's who considered the lock-down as an opportunity to just stay where they were instead of coming over ball-side to officiate. The officials that I have worked with have all pre-gamed that issue, and we've agreed that we should be ball-side, with the C and T staying put to avoid confusion on the last shot. If there is a change of possesion, the L just comes back across and fills their old spot. I just wonder if there will be more problems with last shots this way, rather than the problems associated with not rotating in the last few seconds. [/B]

I honestly think that is what most crews were doing last season, and that's why the official mechanic has been revised - and I honestly hope that by the time the season comes around they have decided that it will be handled this way...