Agree or disagree, I'm just glad we have something to discuss besides crazy camp stories and experience surveys. :)

You're not interested in the underwater banana eating contest!?!

Any videos available?

I would like to be eating popcorn and sitting next to the evaluator when someone calls this one. :D

I understand this debate in theory but in reality I think it should be left alone.

Actually, there are several threads that I haven't even opened.

Three and a half pages since this morning, seems like you're not the only one. :)

JR is not right on this one and I can conclusively prove it.

Everyone please open your Simplified and Illustrated book to page 68 and look at diagrams 1 and 2 at the top of the page. They depict this exact play. The caption below quite clearly states (in part), "In (2), No. 4 forces the ball and the hand of No. 3 into the cylinder. There is no violation by either player and a held ball with alternating-possession results."

Now if I'd been around over the holiday weekend, I could have posted this earlier, but then everyone would have missed out on those 3 pages of fun.

For the record, I think Chuck's play, in which the defender doesn't touch the ball until AFTER it is already in the cylinder even though the offensive player hasn't released it yet during his dunk attempt, is basket interference. That rule should be amended. Simply make it so that the defender gets an exception to BI if the offensive player hasn't yet released the ball.

Nice try, Nevada. Too bad you're talking about something completely different than the play being discussed. We WERE discussing Chuck's sitch where the defender touched the ball AFTER the shooter put it in the cylinder. If we discussing the play that you are referencing above, we wouldn't have had to go to the Manual. We coulda just used the one in the rule book that covers it- i.e. casebook play 9.11.

The defender touching the ball AFTER it enters the cone on a dunk attempt is a completely different play.

Apples and oranges iow.

If you say so, but that not what it looks like back on the first page, especially when one pays attention to the words in red above.

CONE?? When did you and MTD,,,uh,,,, never mind. I don't want to know.

JR, Nevada is talking about the same play we all have for 3 pages: defense contacts ball outside and is pushed over the rim...no BI. I don't think anyone ever claimed that the defender could ever make first contact with the ball after it enters the cylinder.

In fact, you were talking specifically about the exception...which deals with a player making contact outside of the cylinder and continuing contact into the cylinder.

[Edited by Camron Rust on Jun 1st, 2005 at 11:54 AM]

Directly from the NCAA rules manual:

Art. 3. A player may have a hand legally in contact with the ball, when this contact continues after the ball enters the cylinder or when, in such action, the player touches the basket.

Doesn't specify offense or defense, as long as the contact begins legally.

And what's the NCAA call if the contact by a defender isn't made on the ball until after the ball had already entered the cylinder?

Apples and oranges.

Goaltending, if the ball is contacted, BI if the ring is contacted.

Actually, BI in both cases.

Goaltending only occurs on a try in downward flight outside the cylinder.

An it's only BI when the ring is contacted if the ball is touching the ring.