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Bart Tyson Thu May 19, 2005 04:49pm
I think I premised this statement by acknowledging that no one was saying you can't have a foul by the defender in a play where the dribbler initiates the contact. I was just throwing this out there for discussion.

Bart Tyson Thu May 19, 2005 04:51pm
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Told ya, Bart. :p
By the way, its not polite to say "I told ya". :)

blindzebra Thu May 19, 2005 05:37pm
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Originally posted by Bart Tyson
OK, lets make it complicated. The defender does not have legal guarding position. I can see the dribbler initiating contact and we have a foul on the defender. I'm not refering to your play b/c I think you made it clear there was not a foul. I know you didn't say the following as a blanket statement, However, I don't think we can say anytime a dribbler initiates contact then we don't have a foul.
Not having LGP does not mean that the offensive player can overtly cause contact and get the call.

B1 is attempting to beat A1 to the basket. Realizing he/she can't get there B1 jumps away from A1 doing everything possible to avoid contact.

A1 jumps away from their path to the basket and into the retreating B1. To me LGP is not a factor in this type of play.

A1 made their bed and can lie in it.

rainmaker Thu May 19, 2005 06:08pm
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Originally posted by Bart Tyson
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Told ya, Bart. :p
By the way, its not polite to say "I told ya". :)
He didn't. He said, "Told ya" which actually falls into a gray area. The Miss Manners etiquette book lists "I told you so" as the officially incorrect wording. Other phrasing, when it implies a relationship of gentle ribbing can be acceptable, depending on how the speaker inflects the voice. If no offense is intended, and none is taken, then the exchange can be considered to have been correct. :D

BktBallRef Thu May 19, 2005 11:44pm
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Originally posted by Bart Tyson
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Told ya, Bart. :p
By the way, its not polite to say "I told ya". :)
That's okay. Nobody ever accused me of being polite. :)

ChuckElias Fri May 20, 2005 10:20am
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
That's okay. Nobody ever accused me of being polite. :)
You know what, Tony. Somtimes you're just so. . . so . . . so danged polite!! :mad:


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