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mick Wed May 18, 2005 09:42am

Re: Re: Wild(life??) Management
 
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what do you do with a dead skunk?
Send you an email, mick

Thanks, Chuck.

BktBallRef Wed May 18, 2005 10:20am

Re: Wild(life??) Management
 
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JR brought up a point that goes through my mind all the time when looking at plays: The defender didn't do anything wrong.

If the defender doesn't do anything wrong and gets called for a foul is that fair to him/her? I don't think so.

Actually, xxssmen clarified that in the post I inadvertently trashed.
mick

mick,
I quoted his post before you could delete.
Bad mod. :mad:
TH :)


Tony,
You never did allow me any room for error. You are just very tough! ... But I like it that way! :)

In that spirit, I would like to point out that the post you quoted was xxssmen's third.

His second post pointed out that he saw B1 doing nothing illegally.
mick


Ah, I see! I didn't go back to see which one you tossed. Just knew that I had quoted one of his posts. Oh well, ya know what the say, "You have to be perfect the first time and improve after that."


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I have a twitching Skunk in my back yard, not quite *dead*, and not *live* enough to leave my yard on it's own. Assuming the little feller is never going to walk again and that he has evacuated all of his body fluids [air rifles are illegal in town, but if, somehow, he would twicth into another pellet], what do you do with a dead skunk?

Here, we would just call animal control to take it away. We have rabid racoons and skunks from time to time, so we usuallly call animal control anytime we see one acting strangely. And being in the back yard, where they normally wouldn't be found, is usually an indication that they maybe rabid.

BktBallRef Wed May 18, 2005 10:21am

Re: Re: Wild(life??) Management
 
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Send you an email, mick

Do you mean, "Sent you an email, mick?" :)

mick Wed May 18, 2005 10:35am

Re: Re: Wild(life??) Management
 
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by tomegun
JR brought up a point that goes through my mind all the time when looking at plays: The defender didn't do anything wrong.

If the defender doesn't do anything wrong and gets called for a foul is that fair to him/her? I don't think so.

Actually, xxssmen clarified that in the post I inadvertently trashed.
mick

mick,
I quoted his post before you could delete.
Bad mod. :mad:
TH :)


Tony,
You never did allow me any room for error. You are just very tough! ... But I like it that way! :)

In that spirit, I would like to point out that the post you quoted was xxssmen's third.

His second post pointed out that he saw B1 doing nothing illegally.
mick


Ah, I see! I didn't go back to see which one you tossed. Just knew that I had quoted one of his posts. Oh well, ya know what the say, "You have to be perfect the first time and improve after that."


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Originally posted by mick
<u><FONT COLOR = RED> <I>IMPORTANT</i> </FONT></u>
I have a twitching Skunk in my back yard, not quite *dead*, and not *live* enough to leave my yard on it's own. Assuming the little feller is never going to walk again and that he has evacuated all of his body fluids [air rifles are illegal in town, but if, somehow, he would twicth into another pellet], what do you do with a dead skunk?

Here, we would just call animal control to take it away. We have rabid racoons and skunks from time to time, so we usuallly call animal control anytime we see one acting strangely. And being in the back yard, where they normally wouldn't be found, is usually an indication that they maybe rabid.

He was okay.
He was just happy to be alive.
He was just enjoying a lovely morning in the lawn.

M&M Guy Wed May 18, 2005 10:36am

Re: Re: Re: Wild(life??) Management
 
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Send you an email, mick

Do you mean, "Sent you an email, mick?" :)

Mr. Grammar Guy obviously comes in many sizes and shapes. ;)

Mick - Keep us updated on the skunk issue. I need to know in case it happens around my neighborhood. And besides, it's kinda on-topic, you know, black and white stripes...

refTN Wed May 18, 2005 10:37am

xxssmen I am 1 year out of high school and we were playing a game at a school where I did this very thing. I beat the guy to the hole but was underneath the backboard and as soon as I did my jump stop, I jumped backwards to attempt the shot. Another player was there who maintained his POV and I made the basket. There was a no call in this situation which at the time I wanted a foul but I feel now that I look at it, if anything it was a foul on me.

Mick is also right that these fouls up top are being no called which later on result in techs on the coaches, but I ask what can you do? Both violated POV. Unless one looks like he did something extra I would think you could do nothing but go with a no call.

Is it possible to go with a double foul?

M&M Guy Wed May 18, 2005 10:58am

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Originally posted by refTN
Mick is also right that these fouls up top are being no called which later on result in techs on the coaches, but I ask what can you do? Both violated POV. Unless one looks like he did something extra I would think you could do nothing but go with a no call.

Is it possible to go with a double foul?

I think part of the coaches' complaints have to do with us as officials not making that call consistantly. One night there's a foul called on the defender, and another night the same play will be no-called. This is why we are taught to "watch the defense". It's not easy to do, but it makes these calls, along with the block/charge, a lot more consistant. The "easy" way is to watch the shooter, see contact on the arm, and make a call on the defender, without seeing the whole play. That's why the NF committee made a point of emphasis a lttle while ago to not call the foul on the defense when the shooter initiates contact. The obvious example of that is the shooter leaning in on the defender, but the same principal applies in your under-the-basket play. But officals as a whole are still not making the call consistantly; and until we do, coaches might have a tendancy to get upset.

mick Wed May 18, 2005 11:04am

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Originally posted by refTN
Mick is also right that these fouls up top are being no called which later on result in techs on the coaches, but I ask what can you do? Both violated POV. Unless one looks like he did something extra I would think you could do nothing but go with a no call.

<U>Is it possible to go with a double foul?</U>

refTN,
If we referee the defense <U>and</U> see that the defender did nothing illegal, then the "double foul" in not an option with an innocent defender.

If both violated verticality, a double foul may be called, but you will want to have seen the entire play and to have considered other factors such as time, distance and intent.
mick


wisref2 Wed May 18, 2005 12:40pm

Use your officiating skills. Never touch an injured player - or injured skunk. Call animal control, DNR, police, or something similar. It could be carrying one of many diseases, including rabies (the skunk, that is).

Jurassic Referee Wed May 18, 2005 12:51pm

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<u><FONT COLOR = RED> <I>IMPORTANT</i> </FONT></u>
I have a twitching Skunk in my back yard, not quite *dead*, and not *live* enough to leave my yard on it's own. Assuming the little feller is never going to walk again and that he has evacuated all of his body fluids [air rifles are illegal in town, but if, somehow, he would twicth into another pellet], what do you do with a dead skunk?

[/B][/QUOTE]Call up some vultures. Look in the phone book under "coaches".

Seriously, vultures will do it for you. You have vultures U.P. there, don't ya?

If not, I've got a couple of 'em circling my house. Hmmmmmmm......wonder why that is? I'll give them your address.

http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/cartoon-vulture.gif

mick Wed May 18, 2005 02:06pm

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Originally posted by mick
<u><FONT COLOR = RED> <I>IMPORTANT</i> </FONT></u>
I have a twitching Skunk in my back yard, not quite *dead*, and not *live* enough to leave my yard on it's own. Assuming the little feller is never going to walk again and that he has evacuated all of his body fluids [air rifles are illegal in town, but if, somehow, he would twicth into another pellet], what do you do with a dead skunk?

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Call up some vultures. Look in the phone book under "coaches".

Seriously, vultures will do it for you. You have vultures U.P. there, don't ya?

If not, I've got a couple of 'em circling my house. Hmmmmmmm......wonder why that is? I'll give them your address.

http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/cartoon-vulture.gif [/B][/QUOTE]

I've only seen one vulture U.P. here, JR.
Not a pretty picture.
Had a Raven drop down to take a look, but like that old joke, "...It was twitchin' a little."
mick

mick Wed May 18, 2005 02:11pm

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Originally posted by wisref2
Use your officiating skills. Never touch an injured player - or injured skunk. Call animal control, DNR, police, or something similar. It could be carrying one of many diseases, including rabies (the skunk, that is).
wisref2,
He was healthy enough.
I think I'll wait for the "cover of darkness".
Not much smell left on the body. It's just a pain in the grass.
mick

M&M Guy Wed May 18, 2005 02:20pm

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Originally posted by mick
Not much smell left on the body. It's just a pain in the grass.

Careful, though - the skunk itself might smell sweet enough, but it's the stuff inside that they squirt at preditors (like zebras, for example) that give off the odor. I guess there's also the chance it might be a pet of some kind, because I've heard those glands can be surgically removed.

So, any chance you can go out there and give it a scratch behind the ears to determine if it is a pet or just a wild creature?

Jurassic Referee Wed May 18, 2005 02:33pm

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Originally posted by mick
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Had a Raven drop down to take a look, but like that old joke, "...It was twitchin' a little."
[/B][/QUOTE]I guess you then could say <i>Quoth the raven "Nevermore"</i>?


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