Dumb 3 point question

[drinkeii]

A student asked me - "What if I shoot a 3 point attempt, and it is really high and short. It bounces, then goes in the basket without having touched anything but the floor between me and the basket. Is it a 3?" - I can't seem to find anything in the rules saying that it shouldn't be, because it was a 3 point try. I guess, realistically, this isn't likely to happen, but maybe a 3 point attempt at the buzzer from a long way down the court that bounces before the buzzer, and slipped when it was released so it went way high and short, and then was really lucky.

What do you think?

[brainbrian]

It would count as a three.

NFHS 5-2:
"Three points are awarded for any ball thrown, passed or shot beyond the 19 foot 9 inch line that passes through the goal. Any other goal from the field counts 2 points for the team into whose basket the ball is thrown."

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If the buzzer went off before the bounce:
the ball would become dead as soon as it hit the ground.

If the buzzer went off after the bounce:
The basket would count.

NFHS 6-7-5:
"The ball becomes dead when time expires except while a try for a field goal or a tapped ball by a player toward their basket is in flight."

"Flight" ends when the ball hits the ground.

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That's my interpretation. So what did you tell the kid?

[gostars]

We have discussed this before. From what I can remember it would only count as two points because the shot ended when it hit the floor. Two points would be awarded for a live ball entering the basket (assuming the clock had not expired).

[JugglingReferee]

The 3-point try ended when it became apparant that the attempt will not go in. IOW, when it became lower than ring level. However, a live ball went legally through through the basket - count 2 points.

[drinkeii]

Originally posted by brainbrian
It would count as a three.

NFHS 5-2:
"Three points are awarded for any ball thrown, passed or shot beyond the 19 foot 9 inch line that passes through the goal. Any other goal from the field counts 2 points for the team into whose basket the ball is thrown."

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If the buzzer went off before the bounce:
the ball would become dead as soon as it hit the ground.

If the buzzer went off after the bounce:
The basket would count.

NFHS 6-7-5:
"The ball becomes dead when time expires except while a try for a field goal or a tapped ball by a player toward their basket is in flight."

"Flight" ends when the ball hits the ground.

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That's my interpretation. So what did you tell the kid?

Heh - I stammered through some mumbling, and then admitted I wasn't sure - I train the officials for our intramural program, and have been a basketball official for almost 5 years. I told him i'd post it in a forum where I can generally get honest correct answers (with little to no heckling - ) - and then did so. Thanks!

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by brainbrian
It would count as a three.

NFHS 5-2:
"Three points are awarded for any ball thrown, passed or shot beyond the 19 foot 9 inch line that passes through the goal. Any other goal from the field counts 2 points for the team into whose basket the ball is thrown."

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If the buzzer went off before the bounce:
the ball would become dead as soon as it hit the ground.

If the buzzer went off after the bounce:
The basket would count.

NFHS 6-7-5:
"The ball becomes dead when time expires except while a try for a field goal or a tapped ball by a player toward their basket is in flight."

"Flight" ends when the ball hits the ground.

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That's my interpretation. So what did you tell the kid?

NO, IT WOULD NOT BE A THREE!

Even the rule you sited says "thrown, passed or shot." It does not say bounced. A try ends when it touches the floor. If it then vbounces into the basket, it would count as 2 points.

4-40-4
The try ends when the throw is successful, when it is certain the throw is unsuccessful, when the thrown ball touches the floor or when the ball becomes dead.

[Edited by BktBallRef on May 10th, 2005 at 11:40 PM]

[tjones1]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

NO, IT WOULD NOT BE A THREE!

Even the rule you sited says "thrown, passed or shot." It does not say bounced. A try ends when it touches the floor. If it then vbounces into the basket, it would count as 2 points.

4-40-4
The try ends when the throw is successful, when it is certain the throw is unsuccessful, when the thrown ball touches the floor or when the ball becomes dead.

[Edited by BktBallRef on May 10th, 2005 at 11:40 PM]

BktBallRef nails another one! No three, count two points.

[drinkeii]

Heh - ok - reverse the original ruling - Thanks guys!

[ChrisSportsFan]

it's a duece

[OldCoachNewRef]

Could the attempt be goal tended by the defense "after" it hits the floor?

[drinkeii]

Originally posted by OldCoachNewRef
Could the attempt be goal tended by the defense "after" it hits the floor?

That's an interesting one... I wondered about the same thing....

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by drinkeii

That's an interesting one... I wondered about the same thing....

GT only applies to a shot in flight. It would not apply to this if you look at the definition.

Rule 4-22

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by drinkeii

That's an interesting one... I wondered about the same thing....

GT only applies to a try. This isn't a try. Period.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by OldCoachNewRef
Could the attempt be goal tended by the defense "after" it hits the floor?

Nope.

BI would, however, still apply.

[OldCoachNewRef]

Could the attempt be goal tended by the defense "after" it hits the floor?

So the answer is yes, it may be goal tended. Basket Interference may be called if ball is in the cylinder or on the rim just like any pass or shot attempt.