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Old Wed Mar 14, 2001, 06:19pm
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When the season started, many officials complained about the new FT mechanics. You know, lead administers all FTs and the trail or center doesn't step in. Some states didn't even implement the changes. So now that the season is over, how does everyone who used the new mechanics feel about them?

1- Did you have problems, as center or trail, remembering not to step into the lane?

2- Where there any problems with the wrong number of shots being awarded?

3- Did the change help the pace of the game?

4- Do you like the changes, now that you've used them for a season?

It just seems as there was so much complaining prior to the season, yet I didn't hear any griping after the season started. Perhaps it wasn't as bad as everyone thought it would be.
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Old Wed Mar 14, 2001, 07:21pm
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When the season started, many officials complained about the new FT mechanics. You know, lead administers all FTs and the trail or center doesn't step in. Some states didn't even implement the changes. So now that the season is over, how does everyone who used the new mechanics feel about them?

1- Did you have problems, as center or trail, remembering not to step into the lane?


My HS partners had trouble stepping into the lane, when they had to, in Womens' game.

2- Where there any problems with the wrong number of shots being awarded?

No problems. But when that lead doesn't physically acknowledge your signal for number of throws, you really wonder if he knows the number, or not.

3- Did the change help the pace of the game?

I saved lots of steps by reporting from the far side of reporting area and then just signaling my partner and taking a few steps backward, but ya still should check the players, and the table, and tell the players, again, how many shots. No difference noticed.

4- Do you like the changes, now that you've used them for a season?

I like it better than last year. Last year's mechanic was just ridiculous all year long. And you didn't have to do it, didja?

It just seems as there was so much complaining prior to the season, yet I didn't hear any griping after the season started. Perhaps it wasn't as bad as everyone thought it would be.
Well, gee.... in a District Tourney U.P. here I saw a Lead official signaling the number of throws on a one-and one (arms and hands extended with one finger at 2 o'clock and the other at 8:00 o'clock). It doesn't matter if the mechanics are new, used, or abused in some places.

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When the season started, many officials complained about the new FT mechanics. You know, lead administers all FTs and the trail or center doesn't step in. Some states didn't even implement the changes. So now that the season is over, how does everyone who used the new mechanics feel about them?

1- Did you have problems, as center or trail, remembering not to step into the lane?

Not really. After the first 2 or 3 games in the summer, I had this down.

2- Where there any problems with the wrong number of shots being awarded?

A couple of times, because either a player screen us off or my partner did not make good eye contact.

3- Did the change help the pace of the game?

I think it did.

4- Do you like the changes, now that you've used them for a season?

Yes, very much so.

It just seems as there was so much complaining prior to the season, yet I didn't hear any griping after the season started. Perhaps it wasn't as bad as everyone thought it would be.

I was concerned that officials were going to get lazy and not make good eye contact or not pay any attention to the other official giving the signal. At least the officials I worked with I thought things went well. But I did not realize that NCAA Men's Basketball went to the change. I did not realize this until I saw it in person at the Big 10 Tournament. Did they do this all season, or was I not paying that close attention while watching TV games?
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I was concerned that officials were going to get lazy and not make good eye contact or not pay any attention to the other official giving the signal. At least the officials I worked with I thought things went well. But I did not realize that NCAA Men's Basketball went to the change. I did not realize this until I saw it in person at the Big 10 Tournament. Did they do this all season, or was I not paying that close attention while watching TV games? [/B]
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I'm thinking that Mens' officials did the mechanic last year.
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1. No
2. No
3. Not that I noticed
4. It's better than 2 years ago HS mechanic, much much
better than last years.
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Old Thu Mar 15, 2001, 12:00am
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Rut,
I'm thinking that Mens' officials did the mechanic last year.
mick [/B]
Mick you could be absolutely correct. But I swear that they had the trail administering the first FT. But that was so long ago, I really do not know the answer.
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Old Thu Mar 15, 2001, 08:52am
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I had no problems with myself or anyone else in the area. I think we pretty much started doing this last year, because it makes sense, so everyone adapted pretty quick.
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When the season started, many officials complained about the new FT mechanics. You know, lead administers all FTs and the trail or center doesn't step in. Some states didn't even implement the changes. So now that the season is over, how does everyone who used the new mechanics feel about them?

1- Did you have problems, as center or trail, remembering not to step into the lane?

2- Where there any problems with the wrong number of shots being awarded?

3- Did the change help the pace of the game?

4- Do you like the changes, now that you've used them for a season?

It just seems as there was so much complaining prior to the season, yet I didn't hear any griping after the season started. Perhaps it wasn't as bad as everyone thought it would be.
No problems at all. Our board implemented an eye contact and signal to the new lead . After reporting to the table while walking to foul line extended we would make eye contact with the lead and visually signal number of free throws. it worked perfectly
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No problems at all. Our board implemented an eye contact and signal to the new lead . After reporting to the table while walking to foul line extended we would make eye contact with the lead and visually signal number of free throws. it worked perfectly
Isn't this the mechanic we should all be using?
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Old Thu Mar 15, 2001, 08:53pm
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We made the change last year, we felt has an association that it did not make sense for the trail to step in and announce the number of shots, we had the trail step furhter into the lane on the first throw, this also allowed for better eye contact with the trail!

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Old Sat Mar 17, 2001, 05:56pm
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NCAA men made the change to mimic the current high school practise this year. Last year the new center still administered the first throw, as NCAA women's officials still do.
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Old Sat Mar 17, 2001, 06:19pm
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NCAA men made the change to mimic the current high school practise this year. Last year the new center still administered the first throw, as NCAA women's officials still do.
Any ideas as to why the Women's mechanic has not changed?
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Old Sat Mar 17, 2001, 06:48pm
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Like the change!

As many have said, This is the sensible and efficient method. As in all aspects of the game, communication with your partner(s) is essential.
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Old Sat Mar 17, 2001, 07:01pm
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Any ideas as to why the Women's mechanic has not changed? [/B]
When have you ever know the women's mechanics to be in line with the NF and Men's college? They probably will never change.
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Old Sat Mar 17, 2001, 11:12pm
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NCAA men made the change to mimic the current high school practise this year. Last year the new center still administered the first throw, as NCAA women's officials still do.
Any ideas as to why the Women's mechanic has not changed?
If they were all the same, we wouldn't need all of "them".
There are a lot of "staffers" to be paid and a lot of positions that need to be justified.
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