I'm a ball watcher.... (somewhat long winded)

[FrankHtown]

I guess my question is: If he wasn't signalling three point attempts, and you're not supposed to, how does the team score a 3?

[rainmaker]

I don't think it's very good teaching technique to not do a good job, and then rip someone for trying to pick up the pieces. He was supposed to signal, and he didn't. And then when you're trying to just, "get the call right" and "maintain crew integrity" and be sure that the game is fair, he's going to drop an F-bomb on you? Sorry, I don't think that's cool. And I wouldn't take it at this point. I probably would have five years ago. But it would have eaten me up until I dealt with it. I sure wouldn't want to work with him again!

WeekendRef, whatever you take from the experience, I hope it's not to pass along the technique to the next guy. You took it and made lemonade, but that doesn't make the tool any less of a lemon!

[fref]

Speaking of training aids/methods. I am a third year JV official working a 2-whistle girls varsity game. My partner, a long time veteran came to me during a break in the action - around the second quarter - and told me I was doing a good job. BUT - he told me I needed to take it to the next level. That I needed to look through the play and see my partner. He said he was going to wave his hand and at the moment I saw the wave that I was to wave back.

Well, a whole new concept visualized before me. I could see my partner looking either on or off ball and on occasion I was able to wave back. (2 of 5 waves). Well, it was a start.

Now I have games in which I get into a zone - one in which I see so much more than before. All started from the "wave".

[JRutledge]

First of all this is not the work place. Working an AAU game is an extra-curricular activity. To compare the workplace to what is basically a hobby is very silly. If you do not want anyone to talk to you in that way, quit officiating (or any hobby that you get offended by words). And whether any of us like it or not, a D1 official probably has some respect that a younger official does not. Even if you feel you were wronged, there are people that really could give a damn. It would be no different if I was playing a video game and the person I was playing called me a name. You have to learn to when to fight your battles and when to walk away. He made his point and WeekendRef got the point. That is all that matters.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by fref
Speaking of training aids/methods. I am a third year JV official working a 2-whistle girls varsity game. My partner, a long time veteran came to me during a break in the action - around the second quarter - and told me I was doing a good job. BUT - he told me I needed to take it to the next level. That I needed to look through the play and see my partner. He said he was going to wave his hand and at the moment I saw the wave that I was to wave back.

Well, a whole new concept visualized before me. I could see my partner looking either on or off ball and on occasion I was able to wave back. (2 of 5 waves). Well, it was a start.

Now I have games in which I get into a zone - one in which I see so much more than before. All started from the "wave".

Wow, that's a great idea, thanks!

Originally posted by JRutledge

If you do not want anyone to talk to you in that way, quit officiating (or any hobby that you get offended by words).

You might find this hard to believe but a lot of people will not quit at the first sign of trouble.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

You might find this hard to believe but a lot of people will not quit at the first sign of trouble.

I do not find it hard to believe at all. Officiating is not a hobby, avocation or extra-curricular activity that is for the faint of heart.

If I got upset every time someone used a bad word in my presence, I would quit long time ago.

Peace

[lrpalmer3]

Originally posted by WeekendRef
Z ,
I agree his method was a little crude but apparantly he read his audience well and it was highly successful in getting me to remain in my primary.

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! It was a JOKE.

Now some of you wouldn't appreciate a joke like that being played on you. Maybe, just maybe, the D1 official is smart enough to know who can and who cannot take a joke. Remember that he had been watching weekendref for a couple games.

[zebraman]

Originally posted by lrpalmer3

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! It was a JOKE.

Now some of you wouldn't appreciate a joke like that being played on you. Maybe, just maybe, the D1 official is smart enough to know who can and who cannot take a joke. Remember that he had been watching weekendref for a couple games.

Oh man, that's a good one. You're going to "break my F#*$ing arms"... Oh man, I gotta catch my breath. That's such a funny joke. Oh good one.. my sides are splitting.

Sorry, but your excuse for this D-1 official doesn't wash. Dropping the F-bomb doesn't take any intelligence at all. I wouldn't even use that language in a joking manner with a partner that I'd been reffing with for 10 years.

Z

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by zebraman
Sorry, but your excuse for this D-1 official doesn't wash. Dropping the F-bomb doesn't take any intelligence at all. I wouldn't even use that language in a joking manner with a partner that I'd been reffing with for 10 years.

Z

Then crawl in a hole and hope no one uses any language toward you that will upset you. Not everyone cares that you would be upset. It could be a D1 official, NBA official or some guy in the stands. He did not say it to you. He said it to someone else.

Peace

[zebraman]

Originally posted by JRutledge

Then crawl in a hole and hope no one uses any language toward you that will upset you. Not everyone cares that you would be upset. It could be a D1 official, NBA official or some guy in the stands. He did not say it to you. He said it to someone else.

Peace

I'd just ignore it if someone said that to me. Just pointing out that it takes more intelligence to get that point across without dropping F-bombs. That is all. Doesn't matter whether the guy is D-1 or NBA. Decency transcends all competency levels. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

When I started officiating, I got lots of feedback. Most of it was presented in a constructive way. A few officials lacked tact in their input. For most officials, the message gets lost when the messenger is a jackass. If you think that saying "I'm going to break your F#*%ing arms" is a good way to get a point across and it works for you, congratulations on your fine communication skills.

Z

[Edited by zebraman on Apr 21st, 2005 at 10:59 AM]

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by zebraman


I'd just ignore it if someone said that to me. Just pointing out that it takes more intelligence to get that point across without dropping F-bombs. That is all. Doesn't matter whether the guy is D-1 or NBA. Decency transcends all competency levels. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Z

Give me a break.

Decency has much more to do with whether a profanity is used or not. Then again, I do not equate things into a small package like you do. I tend to look at the world through a bigger lens and scope. So if you stop listening because someone used a certain word, then that is your loss. Some of the most evil people I have ever met do not curse and go to church ever Sunday. Some of the most decent people I have meant and the most helpful people, curse a lot, drink alcohol and gamble on a regular basis.

You are right, I would not understand. Especially when I do not judge people like you do based on very limited contact and interaction. As I have stated before, there are internet officials and real officials. You sound like an internet official to me.

Peace

[tomegun]

Originally posted by JRutledge
As I have stated before, there are internet officials and real officials.
Peace

Can I use this?

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by tomegun

Can I use this?

Yep.

Peace

[zebraman]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JRutledge
Decency has much more to do with whether a profanity is used or not.


Yes, you are right. Telling someone you are going to "break their F$#*ing arms" is quite decent.


Then again, I do not equate things into a small package like you do. I tend to look at the world through a bigger lens and scope.


Oh yes Rut, we all admire your deep thought and ability to write meaningless manifestos.


Some of the most evil people I have ever met do not curse and go to church ever Sunday. Some of the most decent people I have meant and the most helpful people, curse a lot, drink alcohol and gamble on a regular basis.


I didn't say that he's evil. He might be an OK guy. He just doesn't sound like he's a gifted enough communicator to get his point across without using profanity.


You are right, I would not understand. Especially when I do not judge people like you do based on very limited contact and interaction. As I have stated before, there are internet officials and real officials. You sound like an internet official to me.


That sounds judgemental.


Z

[Mark Dexter]