Is it a backcourt violation or a basket?

[Alligator Bag]

This play happened in a regional tournament game in our area and I need some input. A1 inbounds ball a midcourt. A2 recieves pass in frontcourt and proceeds to drive the length of floor for an uncontested dunk on the wrong basket. The officials don't blow whistle until after he dunks ball. They huddle and decide that he caught pass in frontcourt and going the wrong way have a backcourt violation, no basket. B's coach goes ballistic and wants basket to count for him since they didn't kill the play till after he dunked ball. They award B the ball at midcourt and go on. A fellow official argues that if they went back to violation and wipe off basket, then they should also penalize the dunk since it happened on a dead ball. Another also argues that since it is NOT a correctable error, they should have let the play stand and give ball back to A for throw-in and bite the bullet since they didn't blow the violation when it occured. All are interesting scenarios and even more interesting take on the rules. Any input would be appreciated.

[BktBallRef]

Interesting scenario! I don't think the rules specifically cover this situation. Anyone who answers is going to have to pick a few rules and apply them.

Here's my take.

Anytime after the ball entered the BC and while the ball was still live, the BC violation could have been called. Once the basket is scored and the ball becomes dead, it's too late to call it. It's not a correctable error situation as defined in 2-10. It's no different than trying to call traveling or 3 seconds after the shot has already been made. My solution would have been to count the basket and give the ball back to A1.

And, be sure to point him in the right direction.

[Brian Watson]

I agree. If you are going to swallow your whistle and let play continue, you have to let what happened stand, there is no way to correct this. A gets baseline throw in.

I am just glad they didn't call the T.

[walter]

I agree. I don't think there is any way or rule that allows this to be corrected. It doesn't fall under 2-10 in any way and since the officials didn't call the backcourt violation when it happened, you can't call it after it is over and done with. My thought is B's awarded two points and A gets the ball at the baseline. Regardless whether it's a two person or three person crew, someone should have been alert to what was going on and blown the whistle.

[Mark Dexter]

Up until the basket was scored, I'd go for the "late-whistle." Coach, we noticed it, but our tracheas were working improperly.

Once you have the basket, the 2 points count for B (unless, of course, this was at the beginning of the half, and A2 was confused)

[dhodges007]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Up until the basket was scored, I'd go for the "late-whistle." Coach, we noticed it, but our tracheas were working improperly.

Once you have the basket, the 2 points count for B (unless, of course, this was at the beginning of the half, and A2 was confused)

Why would it matter if it was the beginning of the half or not?

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by dhodges007
Why would it matter if it was the beginning of the half or not?

Here's an example.

At the beginning of the second half, 10 players and 3 officials have a brain fart. The referee points the wrong way and administers the throw-in to A1. Team A, following the referee's instructions, goes the wrong way and scores in the wrong basket. B1 inbounds the ball and proceeds to the other end, where A3 fouls B2. Now, one of the officials realizes the teams have been going in the wrong direction.

The basket for Team A and the foul against A3 counts. The teams are now pointed at the proper basket and begin play as they should have at the beginning of the quarter. NF 4-5-4

[Mark Dexter]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Thanks, BktBallRef!

[AK ref SE]

I had this happen to me during a camp! Lucky the games we were doing were basically scrimmages. The D1 officials stated that since I did not blow my whistle when the violation occured, I need to take my lumps for the mistake! The basket counts>

AK ref SE

[mikesears]

Originally posted by Alligator Bag
This play happened in a regional tournament game in our area and I need some input. A1 inbounds ball a midcourt. A2 recieves pass in frontcourt and proceeds to drive the length of floor for an uncontested dunk on the wrong basket. The officials don't blow whistle until after he dunks ball. They huddle and decide that he caught pass in frontcourt and going the wrong way have a backcourt violation, no basket.

Too late for this Because they failed to call the violation, once the bucket was scored, count the basket.
We don't penalize a player for travelling if we miss making the call and the player scores.

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B's coach goes ballistic and wants basket to count for him since they didn't kill the play till after he dunked ball.
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And he was correct

They award B the ball at midcourt and go on.

No such provision for a do-over in this situation.

A fellow official argues that if they went back to violation and wipe off basket, then they should also penalize the dunk since it happened on a dead ball.

Adding fuel to a large fire.

Another also argues that since it is NOT a correctable error, they should have let the play stand and give ball back to A for throw-in and bite the bullet since they didn't blow the violation when it occured.

The official who said "bite the bullet was correct" but sounds like he didn't win out. This is not a "Do-Over" situation.

My two cents.