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Dan_ref Wed Feb 16, 2005 08:39pm
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Maybe in your universe.

In mine it is just a frustrated coach saying "Fouls are 7-1 against me".

What if he just said "Score is 23-12 against me".

Or "My point guard couldn't dribble if he had a mouth full of novacaine."

You gonna T him up?
No, because he doesn't expect me to score points for him or dribble the ball for his point guard. But when the fouls are 7-1, he's expecting me to start calling fouls on the other team to even it up.


Tony, wtf do I care what he expects?

I imagine he expects he might leave the gym with another W. He doesn't always get it, does he?
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Dan, you can't honestly tell me that when a coach says this to you, he's not complaining that you're calling the game unfairly? C'mon, you know better than that. He is NOT saying, "Gosh darnit, I wish my kids would quit fouling." He's saying, "You guys aren't calling it both ways!"
I already told you my reply when he complains about the foul count.

If the foul count gets to 7-1 believe me I know it before he does, and I know there's a reason for it. His comment is not gonna change the way the game is being called.

zebraman Wed Feb 16, 2005 08:39pm
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My favorite line in this situation is, "And that means WHAT?"

The coach is making a personal attack when they start this nonsense. They are either accusing you of complete incompetence or cheating, and I don't find either funny or deserving of a snappy comeback.

The smart ones get that they have crossed the line and recognize that this was a warning, the others don't and get whacked.
IMHO, that is far from a personal attack. It's just a coach doing what coaches do... being an advocate for their team. They think they see thier kids being fouled and we aren't calling it and/or they see fouls being called on their kids that they don't think were fouls. They are seeing the game through the biased glasses that all coaches wear. You can address the comments, but if you think that's a personal attack, you're going to be setting a record for "whacks."

Z
A coach that throws a clipboard and screams, "Call that F'ing foul!" is being an advocate for his team too. It does not mean it's not personal or appropriate.;)

Also where did I say it was a automatic whack? I said they get the "WHAT" warning and if they keep it up they get whacked?
You don't think there is a HUGE difference between throwing a clipboard and mentioning a discrepancy in the foul count?

Z

Dan_ref Wed Feb 16, 2005 08:42pm
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My favorite line in this situation is, "And that means WHAT?"

The coach is making a personal attack when they start this nonsense. They are either accusing you of complete incompetence or cheating...
How is stating a fact the same as accusing you of cheating?
Because this "fact" is just saying, "If you were doing your job well, or fairly, the foul count would not be 7-1."
Maybe in your universe.

In mine it is just a frustrated coach saying "Fouls are 7-1 against me".

What if he just said "Score is 23-12 against me".

Or "My point guard couldn't dribble if he had a mouth full of novacaine."

You gonna T him up?
You have got to be kidding?

That is the biggest apple to orange comparison in the history of this forum. :rolleyes:
Apples & oranges?

Virtually everything a coach says to me in a reasonable manner is treated the same: in one ear, out the other. I don't care if he's complaing about the foul count, the score, the traffic, his bunions or his mother-in-law.

Listening to coaches b1tching comes with the territory.

blindzebra Wed Feb 16, 2005 08:44pm
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My favorite line in this situation is, "And that means WHAT?"

The coach is making a personal attack when they start this nonsense. They are either accusing you of complete incompetence or cheating, and I don't find either funny or deserving of a snappy comeback.

The smart ones get that they have crossed the line and recognize that this was a warning, the others don't and get whacked.
IMHO, that is far from a personal attack. It's just a coach doing what coaches do... being an advocate for their team. They think they see thier kids being fouled and we aren't calling it and/or they see fouls being called on their kids that they don't think were fouls. They are seeing the game through the biased glasses that all coaches wear. You can address the comments, but if you think that's a personal attack, you're going to be setting a record for "whacks."

Z
A coach that throws a clipboard and screams, "Call that F'ing foul!" is being an advocate for his team too. It does not mean it's not personal or appropriate.;)

Also where did I say it was a automatic whack? I said they get the "WHAT" warning and if they keep it up they get whacked?
You don't think there is a HUGE difference between throwing a clipboard and mentioning a discrepancy in the foul count?

Z
There are degrees to everything. You are the one who came up with the o' shucks he's just being an advocate for his team nonsense.

The big difference in the two is that one is an automatic T, and the other gets a warning, but both are personal attacks on the job we are doing in the game.

Dan_ref Wed Feb 16, 2005 08:48pm
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My favorite line in this situation is, "And that means WHAT?"

The coach is making a personal attack when they start this nonsense. They are either accusing you of complete incompetence or cheating, and I don't find either funny or deserving of a snappy comeback.

The smart ones get that they have crossed the line and recognize that this was a warning, the others don't and get whacked.
IMHO, that is far from a personal attack. It's just a coach doing what coaches do... being an advocate for their team. They think they see thier kids being fouled and we aren't calling it and/or they see fouls being called on their kids that they don't think were fouls. They are seeing the game through the biased glasses that all coaches wear. You can address the comments, but if you think that's a personal attack, you're going to be setting a record for "whacks."

Z
A coach that throws a clipboard and screams, "Call that F'ing foul!" is being an advocate for his team too. It does not mean it's not personal or appropriate.;)

Also where did I say it was a automatic whack? I said they get the "WHAT" warning and if they keep it up they get whacked?
You don't think there is a HUGE difference between throwing a clipboard and mentioning a discrepancy in the foul count?

Z
One might be tempted to say apples & oranges here.

blindzebra Wed Feb 16, 2005 08:51pm
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My favorite line in this situation is, "And that means WHAT?"

The coach is making a personal attack when they start this nonsense. They are either accusing you of complete incompetence or cheating, and I don't find either funny or deserving of a snappy comeback.

The smart ones get that they have crossed the line and recognize that this was a warning, the others don't and get whacked.
IMHO, that is far from a personal attack. It's just a coach doing what coaches do... being an advocate for their team. They think they see thier kids being fouled and we aren't calling it and/or they see fouls being called on their kids that they don't think were fouls. They are seeing the game through the biased glasses that all coaches wear. You can address the comments, but if you think that's a personal attack, you're going to be setting a record for "whacks."

Z
A coach that throws a clipboard and screams, "Call that F'ing foul!" is being an advocate for his team too. It does not mean it's not personal or appropriate.;)

Also where did I say it was a automatic whack? I said they get the "WHAT" warning and if they keep it up they get whacked?
You don't think there is a HUGE difference between throwing a clipboard and mentioning a discrepancy in the foul count?

Z
One might be tempted to say apples & oranges here.
And one would be incorrect.

Dan_ref Wed Feb 16, 2005 08:55pm
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Originally posted by blindzebra
My favorite line in this situation is, "And that means WHAT?"

The coach is making a personal attack when they start this nonsense. They are either accusing you of complete incompetence or cheating, and I don't find either funny or deserving of a snappy comeback.

The smart ones get that they have crossed the line and recognize that this was a warning, the others don't and get whacked.
IMHO, that is far from a personal attack. It's just a coach doing what coaches do... being an advocate for their team. They think they see thier kids being fouled and we aren't calling it and/or they see fouls being called on their kids that they don't think were fouls. They are seeing the game through the biased glasses that all coaches wear. You can address the comments, but if you think that's a personal attack, you're going to be setting a record for "whacks."

Z
A coach that throws a clipboard and screams, "Call that F'ing foul!" is being an advocate for his team too. It does not mean it's not personal or appropriate.;)

Also where did I say it was a automatic whack? I said they get the "WHAT" warning and if they keep it up they get whacked?
You don't think there is a HUGE difference between throwing a clipboard and mentioning a discrepancy in the foul count?

Z
One might be tempted to say apples & oranges here.
And one would be incorrect.
Whoa.

Commenting on the foul count is the same as throwing a clipboard and screaming "WHERE'S THE F*CKING FOUL!!!!!!!"?

Where is it you referee again? :rolleyes:

Jurassic Referee Wed Feb 16, 2005 09:15pm
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zebraman Wed Feb 16, 2005 09:20pm
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Originally posted by blindzebra

There are degrees to everything. You are the one who came up with the o' shucks he's just being an advocate for his team nonsense.

The big difference in the two is that one is an automatic T, and the other gets a warning, but both are personal attacks on the job we are doing in the game.
No, the big difference is that one is a coach going nuts and the other is a coach making a comment. It wasn't me that came up with the "coach being an advocate" thing (although I wish it were). It was a D-1 ref. I can't diffuse a coach who tosses a clipboard and swears.. he's already gone over the deep end. But I find it quite easy to diffuse a coach who makes the foul count remark. One big reason it's easy is because I don't turn it into a personal attack - because it isn't.

Z

blindzebra Wed Feb 16, 2005 09:37pm
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Put the popcorn away, I'm not bored enough to play their stupid game tonight.:D

Dan_ref Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:17pm
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Put the popcorn away, I'm not bored enough to play their stupid game tonight.:D
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TriggerMN Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:57pm
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Put the popcorn away, I'm not bored enough to play their stupid game tonight.:D
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Dude, it's a llama!

Nevadaref Thu Feb 17, 2005 04:55am
I'd ask the coach if he'd like it to be 8-1. :D

stmaryrams Thu Feb 17, 2005 07:43am
Had a similar situation, team A 6-1 in team fouls.
Coach says It's 6-1 in team fouls ref.
I replied you might want to tell your kids to stop fouling.
Next time out he said "Guys, you've got to stop fouling"
Both me and my partner smiled.

FrankHtown Thu Feb 17, 2005 08:55am
High school JV Boys. Team A is up by 15 ..4 minutes left in the game. Fouls are 8-2; Team A has 2 fouls called on them, Team B has 8. Team A coach says I gotta start calling it both ways. I guess he didn't want to beat the spread.


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