Possesion arrow indicators for whistles

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

About a month ago we had a freshman game that didn't have an arrow. The lady running the table used a white ink pen that had a black cap to keep track of it as well as the book. She would point for us when there was a held ball as most of the time the pen wasn't visible to us.

I do not care what they use, just as long as it is something at the table that can point in a direction.

And no, the scoreboard is not good enough.

Also the book should be keeping track as well. So there are enough checks and balances other than using a silly whistle in your pocket.

Peace

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not care what they use, just as long as it is something at the table that can point in a direction.

And no, the scoreboard is not good enough.

Also the book should be keeping track as well. So there are enough checks and balances other than using a silly whistle in your pocket.

Peace

I agree. The pen worked without problem this night, just wasn't quite as high tech but functional just the same.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

I agree. The pen worked without problem this night, just wasn't quite as high tech but functional just the same.

Many schools have that little display with the arrow on it (it is yellow). All you need is something and that should be good enough. And the rules mandate that something be at the table, not anywhere else.

Peace

[amusedofficial]

I have a tremendous idea on how to avoid the arrow issues, and not have to suffer the gross indignity and mortal shame of changing rocks from one pocket to the other, unbuttoning pocket flaps, dealing with clueless table personnel, or chanting blue ball during every throw-in. Obviously such actions detract from our stature and we must never do such undignified things, even tough it makes it absolutely clear to everyone in the building that we're making sure we get it right.

Here's what we'll do. We'll get the two players most directly involved and send them to the center circle or to the foul line circle (whichever is closer) and we'll toss the ball in the air, and determine possession through an actual athletic endeavor, rather than my-turn, your-turn.

Not only does it solve the issue, we won't have listen to the holier-than-thou brigade, which thinks we should keep a play from 10 minutes earlier in our heads while presumably concentrating on what is happening in front of us.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

I have a tremendous idea on how to avoid the arrow issues, and not have to suffer the gross indignity and mortal shame of changing rocks from one pocket to the other, unbuttoning pocket flaps, dealing with clueless table personnel, or chanting blue ball during every throw-in. Obviously such actions detract from our stature and we must never do such undignified things, even tough it makes it absolutely clear to everyone in the building that we're making sure we get it right.

Here's what we'll do. We'll get the two players most directly involved and send them to the center circle or to the foul line circle (whichever is closer) and we'll toss the ball in the air, and determine possession through an actual athletic endeavor, rather than my-turn, your-turn.

Not only does it solve the issue, we won't have listen to the holier-than-thou brigade, which thinks we should keep a play from 10 minutes earlier in our heads while presumably concentrating on what is happening in front of us.

The jump ball is a horrible system. Let's give an unfair advantage after a tie up to the person who's TALLER. To me, the AP always made more sense than this.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

The jump ball is a horrible system.

And do more than just a few of you (not me, and rookies don't count) devote any more than a just few minutes of annual study to the various jump ball restrictions since we only see one (usually) of these every game? How many of us (including me) just sit back, as the umpire, and hope that nothing "weird" happens, or if something "weird" happens, it something very obvious, like a jumper tapping the ball on the way up?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

And do more than just a few of you (not me, and rookies don't count) devote any more than a just few minutes of annual study to the various jump ball restrictions since we only see one (usually) of these every game? How many of us (including me) just sit back, as the umpire, and hope that nothing "weird" happens, or if something "weird" happens, it something very obvious, like a jumper tapping the ball on the way up?

We don't obsess over the jump ball provisions. I know the rules quite well, but I'll admit that I'm in no hurry to blow back a marginal toss or even a marginal "got it on the way up" violation. Especially in regulation. The other team is going to get 2-of-the-next-3 after all. I don't say anything on a jump - I ask the captains if they're ready, hit my whistle, and toss the ball.

It used to aggravate me as a guard (back in the day) when I'd get in there and tie up a much taller player and be rewarded by having to jump against him. I had no chance. Why is *that* system fair?

(I liked the thinking when NCAAM (I think) experimented with giving the ball to the defense on every tie up, but then actual game play exposed worse issues in that system and they abandoned it.)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

I have a tremendous idea on how to avoid the arrow issues, and not have to suffer the gross indignity and mortal shame of changing rocks from one pocket to the other, unbuttoning pocket flaps, dealing with clueless table personnel, or chanting blue ball during every throw-in. Obviously such actions detract from our stature and we must never do such undignified things, even tough it makes it absolutely clear to everyone in the building that we're making sure we get it right.

Here's what we'll do. We'll get the two players most directly involved and send them to the center circle or to the foul line circle (whichever is closer) and we'll toss the ball in the air, and determine possession through an actual athletic endeavor, rather than my-turn, your-turn.

Not only does it solve the issue, we won't have listen to the holier-than-thou brigade, which thinks we should keep a play from 10 minutes earlier in our heads while presumably concentrating on what is happening in front of us.

Quarters?

Ball stuck in the rim?

Double foul while an unsuccessful try is in flight?

I'm with Rich even if these questions get answered, but they would need to be answered if you're going to go back to the archaic "jump ball" system.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Quarters? Ball stuck in the rim? Double foul while an unsuccessful try is in flight?

Same thing that we did thirty years ago. Jump ball. Jump ball. Jump ball. Usually with any two opponents, usually the tallest, or the best jumpers. We may have had the double foulers jump against each other.

Maybe we should also start using basketballs with laces, go back to peach baskets, and wear black belts to hold our pants up?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

We'll get the two players most directly involved and send them to the center circle or to the foul line circle and we'll toss the ball in the air, and determine possession through an actual athletic endeavor, rather than my-turn, your-turn.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: Why are you posting under amusedofficial's username?

[APG]

Originally Posted by amusedofficial

I have a tremendous idea on how to avoid the arrow issues, and not have to suffer the gross indignity and mortal shame of changing rocks from one pocket to the other, unbuttoning pocket flaps, dealing with clueless table personnel, or chanting blue ball during every throw-in. Obviously such actions detract from our stature and we must never do such undignified things, even tough it makes it absolutely clear to everyone in the building that we're making sure we get it right.

Here's what we'll do. We'll get the two players most directly involved and send them to the center circle or to the foul line circle (whichever is closer) and we'll toss the ball in the air, and determine possession through an actual athletic endeavor, rather than my-turn, your-turn.

Not only does it solve the issue, we won't have listen to the holier-than-thou brigade, which thinks we should keep a play from 10 minutes earlier in our heads while presumably concentrating on what is happening in front of us.

For NCAA-M, I agree...for that 7th grade girls game? The arrow is a godsend.