0 or 00

[totalnewbie]

I'm not following this software argument? Does software dictate rule enforcement?

[sorry, goofy post. i wrote it too quick. i mean,] how does software relate to enforcement? our jurisidiction is not that plugged in. are there local areas that have rules about software?

Clark

[Edited by totalnewbie on Feb 1st, 2005 at 01:14 AM]

[Kelvin green]

NO but if they are using software that require the leading zero to keep things straight, does that mean we penalize the team, especially if the software system was approved by the state.

I dont think so

[Adam]

1.
This is not a T.
Coach: "That's a T, you've got to give them a T for that."

Me: "Coach. You find me 2 disinterested people who tell you that 0 and 00 are different numbers, and I'll admit it should be a T."

2. I'm not calling it, even if it should be.

[Rich]

Originally posted by FrankHtown
I still disagree. If a player is listed as 4 in the book, and he/she comes on the floor with 40, are we going to give them a pass? "All we're doing is adding a zero." Again, if I was the offended coach, i'd be screaming for the T.

And you'd probably get one, too

[Rich]

Originally posted by FrankHtown
Well, then, as a coach, I'd guess I'd be respectfully asking the assigned referees, what other rules we'd be suspending that game, so I could inform my players.

You may not be around for the opening tip if you go down this path. I've had PGEJs (pregame ejections) in baseball, but never in hoops -- it could be a first.

[totalnewbie]

kelvin

this software issue is interesting to me. our jurisdiction is not that "plugged in." do you guys have local rules about software? what does the software do? i presume it is just for team books. or do you guys have software for the OFFICIAL book? i guess if the problem is team books, i dont care that much. that is their problem.

more info please...

clark

[oc]

Originally posted by bigzilla
Well, you apparently suffer from the same odd desire to analyze the event before it happens that I do. I will be driving along, lost in thought, and my wife will say "what case are you arguing?" And she is always right. She never says it and I happen to be daydreaming about vacation. Apparently I make odd facial jestures during my non-verbal delivery of the best darn closing arguments a jury has yet to hear.

Thank goodness I thought I was the only one.

[tomegun]

OK, I've read this entire thread. Can I take my bar exam now?

"squared away"
"dialed-up"
"plugged in"
"jurisdiction"

Dude, this is basketball not Boston Legal. Plus, you live in Las Vegas so the most important phrases, phrases that ultimately pay you, are:

"cocktails, drinks"
"let it ride"
"hit me"
"parlay that"

[xxssmen]

I don't understand why some of u officials would call a "T" on a team for having 0 or 00. What is the advantage here it would just be more simple if u just inform the scorebook person to either add another 0 to match the uniform and explain why to them.
I would never "T" a team for having #00 when the book has #0 on them I would just ask the scorebook person to change it to match the uniform.

Tell me if am wrong here, most of u veteran officials know the rules pretty good and some of u guys probably have given younger official advice and the #1 advice I have heard from veteran officials is that basketball rules is pretty complicated at times so as a young official I was taught that knowing the rule is one thing but applying it is another, which I have learn how to apply certain situation.
Here is an example, if ur gonna "T" a team for having the #0 or #00 because the scorebook person don't know the different between #0 or #00 and most of these scorebook person are not train or certified to know the rules. So why not just have them corect it and go on with the game.
And for those officials say "T" them up cause thats what the rulebook say than My question is if ur gonna apply everyrule by the book than why the hell do most of u don't "T" up a coach who knows the rule about being seated at all time during the game unless he/she is cheering a good play.
I have seen many games in all levels and Refs have allow coaches to wonder the coaching box so if ur gonna play by the rules and "T" for scorebook error on a uniform than u should "T" the coach too when they are not seated during game time.
Thers alot of other situation that I can bring up where officials do not go by the book. So as a official I will apply the rules base on advantage/disadvantage and I see no advantage in giving a "T" for a roster error when it could be corrected by telling the scorebook person just to add another ) to the players name on the book so it can match the uniform.
If u need more situation let me know I can post up some more where I know most veteran officials will let go and not make certain calls even though the rule book may say different.

Remember knowing the rule is one thing but applying it is another so be consistant if ur gonna officiate by the rule book than do it.

[bgtg19]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BktBallRef

First, there's no such thing as 2.3.

Second, the play has nothing to do with 2-3....

BktBallRef, thank you for delivering this irony. As you plead for "common sense" to prevail on the court, you insist on literal perfection on the discussion threads. I stand both corrected and entertained! :-)

[tomegun]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bgtg19

Originally posted by BktBallRef

BktBallRef, thank you for delivering this irony. As you plead for "common sense" to prevail on the court, you insist on literal perfection on the discussion threads. I stand both corrected and entertained! :-)

That makes perfect sense since you must know the exact rule in order to apply common sense to it!

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by tomegun
OK, I've read this entire thread. Can I take my bar exam now?

Sure -- What ingredients go in a "screaming viking?"

Back to the issue at hand:

I decided that Nevada was right -- this was a T. So, in last night's game, I issued one.

I also issued a T for a player whose shorts were too low -- it made the jersey number not centered vertically. Similarly, another player had the shorts too high.

Another player had a thread sticking out of the shadow trim around the number. Since the trim was already 1/2", the thread made the number illegal.

Another player's trim around the neck was frayed -- it was greater than 1/4", so I issued the T.

One team was wearing gold jerseys, and the T-shirt of one of the players was more of an ecru color.

After the game, both coaches thanked me for finally enforcing the rules and stated how they wished more officials would pay attention to all the little things that really matter.

[bgtg19]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tomegun

Originally posted by bgtg19

That makes perfect sense since you must know the exact rule in order to apply common sense to it!

tomegun, perhaps I should be more transparent in the irony: "0" and "00" are the same, but "2.3" and "2-3" are not the same. In any event, what *you* said -- that one must know the rules to apply common sense to them -- does indeed make perfect sense!

[Smitty]

7 pages and still going strong...this is brilliant.

I suddenly miss the belted pants threads...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

Sure -- What ingredients go in a "screaming viking?"

Ah, a Cheers fan.

http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink1819.html

I kinda favor the "screaming multiple orgasm" though.

This whole thread is a hoot, ain't it?