Tech during free throw

[assignmentmaker]

This came up today in a JV game . . .

A1 was at the line for one shot, having made a basket while being fouled in the act. While the ball was in the air for the first shot, the trail official blew his whistle for a technical foul on Team A, 6 players on the court. The foul shot went in.

What they did was to cancel the free throw and go right to the technical.

My response, without immediate recourse rules or the casebook, was that they should have counted the free throw - the ball was out of the shooter's hand. It's what you'd do if the clock were running, a shot were taken, and someone said "Eph you" during the flight of the ball. Or am I wrong? Then, in this scenario, clear the lane and shoot the T, followed by the ball to Team B.

Furthermore . . .

1. If the T had been on Team B, same ruling on the foul shot.

2. If the T had come during the first of two, clear the lane, let the shooter take the secondmerited shot, then shoot the T.

No?

I'm still trying to reschedule tomorrowin the slightly buried Northeast, so please forgive my asking instead of doing the work . . .

[BktBallRef]

Yes, the FT should have counted. Whether it's a try or a FT, the foul doesn not cause the ball to become dead.

Couple of questions.

#1 - How did a 6th player get on to the floor?

#2 - Why did the trail blow the T in the middle of the FT?

[Ref Daddy]

PENALTY: (Section 1)

1. If the first or only violation is by the free thrower or a teammate, the ball becomes dead when the violation occurs and no point can be scored by that throw. The following out-of-bounds provisions apply if no further free throws are to be administered:

a. If the violation occurs during a free throw for a personal foul, other than intentional or flagrant, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-of-bounds spot nearest the violation.
b. If the violation occurs during a free throw for a technical foul, the ball is awarded to the thrower's team for a throw-in at the division line on the side of the court opposite the scorer's and timer's table.
c. If the violation occurs during a free throw for a flagrant personal foul or an intentional personal foul, the ball is awarded to the thrower's team for a throw-in from the designated out-of-bounds spot nearest the foul.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Ref Daddy
PENALTY: (Section 1)

1. If the first or only violation is by the free thrower or a teammate, the ball becomes dead when the violation occurs and no point can be scored by that throw. The following out-of-bounds provisions apply if no further free throws are to be administered:

a. If the violation occurs during a free throw for a personal foul, other than intentional or flagrant, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in from the designated out-of-bounds spot nearest the violation.
b. If the violation occurs during a free throw for a technical foul, the ball is awarded to the thrower's team for a throw-in at the division line on the side of the court opposite the scorer's and timer's table.
c. If the violation occurs during a free throw for a flagrant personal foul or an intentional personal foul, the ball is awarded to the thrower's team for a throw-in from the designated out-of-bounds spot nearest the foul.

You're citing the wrong rules. It's not a violation, it's a foul.

[ref18]

I'd like to add to this sitch.


What happens if A is called for too many men while the ball is at A1's disposal for a free throw. Does A1 loose that free throw or does he attempt it with the lane cleared prior to the shots for the T??

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by ref18
I'd like to add to this sitch.


What happens if A is called for too many men while the ball is at A1's disposal for a free throw. Does A1 loose that free throw or does he attempt it with the lane cleared prior to the shots for the T??

No. It's not a violation, it's a foul. No foul causes the shooter to lose the opportunity to shoot the FT.

[assignmentmaker]

But a technical foul isn't a violation . . .

[assignmentmaker]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Yes, the FT should have counted. Whether it's a try or a FT, the foul doesn not cause the ball to become dead.

Couple of questions.

#1 - How did a 6th player get on to the floor?

#2 - Why did the trail blow the T in the middle of the FT?

1. I don't know how the 6th player got on the floor; I wasn't there. I, personally, am on a crusade sending people BACK to the table when they start running into the game on the horn. The penalty is on them if they manage to get too many players on the floor, but we look bad.

2. I thought he should have held his whistle . . . there was no hurry.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by assignmentmaker

1. I don't know how the 6th player got on the floor; I wasn't there. I, personally, am on a crusade sending people BACK to the table when they start running into the game on the horn. The penalty is on them if they manage to get too many players on the floor, but we look bad.

Just sounds like they didn't get a replaced player off the floor before administering the FT. If they did, that's their fault.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by assignmentmaker

2. I thought he should have held his whistle . . . there was no hurry. [/B]

Why hold the whistle? It doesn't really make any difference. Call it when you discover it.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Why hold the whistle? It doesn't really make any difference. Call it when you discover it. [/B]

Seeing as how they completely screwed things up, it would have been less confusing if they had waited until after the FT to blow the whistle. But that's not the major issue here.

[assignmentmaker]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Seeing as how they completely screwed things up, it would have been less confusing if they had waited until after the FT to blow the whistle. But that's not the major issue here. [/B]

Exactly