watching the basket as lead

[zebraman]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JRutledge


Rich was disagreeing with the common wisdom in this post. Challenge Rich on what he said. But that has nothing to do with the comments that everyone else that advocated looking at the rim said. Looking at the rim and looking at the supports are two different things.

Peace [/B]



Double sigh. And if you look at who I replied to before you and Dan decided that there was nothing in these posts about support wires, you'll see that it was Rich...

So let's see... I replied to Rich about the support wire issue. Dan said that I must not have read any posts. Then you agreed that I didn't read any posts because there was nothing about support wires. So I point out that Rich mentioned support wires. So now you're telling me that I should have replied to Rich. But Rich is who I did reply to. Hello? Anyone there?

Z

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by zebraman


Double sigh. And if you look at who I replied to before you and Dan decided that there was nothing in these posts about support wires, you'll see that it was Rich...

So let's see... I replied to Rich about the support wire issue. Dan said that I must not have read any posts. Then you agreed that I didn't read any posts because there was nothing about support wires. So I point out that Rich mentioned support wires. So now you're telling me that I should have replied to Rich. But Rich is who I did reply to. Hello? Anyone there?

Z

Rich was the only person talking about support wires. You used that Rich's comments to throw out what everyone else was saying. Of course you have that right, but that was not the main issue for why people were advocating looking at the rim. I completely disagree with Rich's point of view about looking at support wires and calling BI calls.

That is the reason that Dan said what he did from what I can see.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally posted by zebraman

Actually I did. You obviously are suffering from caffeine withdrawal this morning.

My point is merely that it's more important for the lead to get the rebounding action and miss a support wire call than to look up to get the support wire call and miss rebounding action. I get real wide as lead on a shot attempt, but I don't see how I could ever see the support wire if I'm watching what I'm supposed to.

Z

Peripheral vision, Z. Peripheral vision. I'm not saying to take your eyes off anything. But if you happen to see something out of the ordinary, don't ignore it just because "it's not in your area."

I'm leaning towards Dan, BTW. You didn't really get what I was trying to say. Maybe that was my fault for not communicating better. Maybe not.

[Dan_ref]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by zebraman

Originally posted by JRutledge


Rich was disagreeing with the common wisdom in this post. Challenge Rich on what he said. But that has nothing to do with the comments that everyone else that advocated looking at the rim said. Looking at the rim and looking at the supports are two different things.

Peace

Double sigh. And if you look at who I replied to before you and Dan decided that there was nothing in these posts about support wires, you'll see that it was Rich...

So let's see... I replied to Rich about the support wire issue. Dan said that I must not have read any posts. Then you agreed that I didn't read any posts because there was nothing about support wires. So I point out that Rich mentioned support wires. So now you're telling me that I should have replied to Rich. But Rich is who I did reply to. Hello? Anyone there?

Z
[/B]

What I, and what I believe Jeff & Rich are talking about here is each official being aware of the entire court to the extent possible. The entire court includes play at and above the rim. Sometimes you can see more than other times. If you're good you can position yourself to see a lot more than someone not so good can. You can be aware of everything on the court and still restrict your calls to your primary/secondary. Sometimes you need to go out of your area, Rich gave an example of when this awareness is useful in keeping the crew from f@cking up a call big time by going completely out of your area.

You waltzed in wondering who's watching the rebounding while we're staring at the wires above the backboard. That is why I said you didn't read the posts.

[Rich]

Originally posted by JRutledge

Rich was the only person talking about support wires. You used that Rich's comments to throw out what everyone else was saying. Of course you have that right, but that was not the main issue for why people were advocating looking at the rim. I completely disagree with Rich's point of view about looking at support wires and calling BI calls.

That is the reason that Dan said what he did from what I can see.

Peace

Oh, for ****'s sake....I NEVER, NEVER advocating turning your head and LOOKING for BI or for support wires. My POINT, lost in all of this, was that you don't ignore something blatant just because you think that someone will nail you later for fishing outside your pond.

The support wire example? My partner, in the locker room, after I almost had to ring up a head coach and instead took a ration of crap because I knew I probably kicked something, told me it was clear the ball changed directions "up there." He didn't call it because "it's not my call." I'm sorry I expanded this thread beyond its original scope -- I thought the plays I included were relevant and I guess they weren't.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser


Oh, for ****'s sake....I NEVER, NEVER advocating turning your head and LOOKING for BI or for support wires. My POINT, lost in all of this, was that you don't ignore something blatant just because you think that someone will nail you later for fishing outside your pond.

I did not say to turn your head. I was only taking issue with the support wire comments. But from what I am thinking about, I am talking about the ones that are way above the backboard. I do not know if I can get an angle on that.

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
The support wire example? My partner, in the locker room, after I almost had to ring up a head coach and instead took a ration of crap because I knew I probably kicked something, told me it was clear the ball changed directions "up there." He didn't call it because "it's not my call." I'm sorry I expanded this thread beyond its original scope -- I thought the plays I included were relevant and I guess they weren't.

I am talking about what to do as a basic philosophy. There are always exceptions to the rule. This might have been just the exception to that rule. But your partner should have been looking that the ball. No big deal.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally posted by JRutledge

I did not say to turn your head. I was only taking issue with the support wire comments. But from what I am thinking about, I am talking about the ones that are way above the backboard. I do not know if I can get an angle on that.

I am talking about what to do as a basic philosophy. There are always exceptions to the rule. This might have been just the exception to that rule. But your partner should have been looking that the ball. No big deal.

Peace

Old gym -- right above the basket.