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The defense needs LGP and verticality, in both these plays B1 has neither. Play #1 is a case of two wrongs, and most likely a no-call by most officials. Play #2 is a block 100% of the time. Neither play, short of a clear out move by A1, is ever a PC foul by rule. |
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So, blindzebra, you are saying that the defense is NOT entitled to a landing spot? I understand your argument, and would agree with you if not for the landing spot counterpoint. I've run this play visually through my head, and I couldn't see myself calling a PC, but I think that there is a valid argument for doing so.
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Ask Rick pitino what he thinks...
This play is the very one that beat him when they played kentucky this year... sparks for kentucky shot faked and got louisville's player in the air but was clearly going to miss to the side of him on the shot, but sparks jumped sideways to cause contact and he got 3 freethrows for doing so.. kentucky wins.. although i'm glad my cats won, i don't know if i agree with the foul or not, Not to mention sparks traveled twice, (shuffled his feet twice) before he actually got the shot off!!
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What if the offensive player wasn't shooting but dribbling down the floor. If a defender jumps into his path do we penalize the offensive player because he dribbled into the defender's landing spot. NO and the answer should be no every time. It all goes back to LGP which has been mentioned enough in this thread so I won't expound on that aspect. Simple put the defense has to control its manner of defending and jumping all over the place puts a defender at risk of fouling.
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So you are saying that if A (offense) leaves floor then the defense can take away the landing spot without a foul!
Players leave the floor (without LGP all the time) and are entitled to a spot to land. Quote me a rule that states that defensive player jumps at his/her own risk. That you must have LGP to jump as a defender, and that a dribbler or shooter can take that away from a defender. This has everything to do with landing spot! When Defense jumps firts he is entitled to his spot to come down. If another player jumps into the path, creates contact, and in doing so takes away the opportunity to come down, you cannot penalize the player. We get paid to make the judgement of who was entitled to the spot first and who gets there first. If a defender jumps and tries to get to path of dribbler and gets there first, we have a PC foul. (assuming that in jumping in front of dribbler there is LGP) By this logic you could fake get a defender in the air and undercut him because he may have not jumped vertically. Good Luck explaining that a torpedo by the offense is not a foul because the jumper did not have LGP and that he left his feet at his own risk and did not jump straight up, the offense under cut him, dropped him to the floor, because he is not entitled to jump to play defense, not entitled to land because he jumped forward. NO WAY! Gues we'll have to agree to disagree but at least i can support my justification by rule whereas calling this a block 100% of the time cannot be justified by rule. |
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I have 4-23-1, 2, 3, and 4, 4-44-1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7, and 10-6-note which says, if B1 JUMPS both feet must return to the floor for them to have guarding position to take a foul. |
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I dont have my books with me but I do know that ---4-23-1
Every player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first without illegally contacting an opponent. _ we all know it that when a player jumps they have picked their spot to come down. Player is taking away spot... Gues we'll have to agree to disagree |
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