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Old Mon Jan 17, 2005, 11:33pm
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The air is free game, as long as their foot doesn't cross the plane.
What about the "cone of verticality?" Does that need to be considered here?
When it comes to A1 leaning on B1, I think it does. A1 is clearly entitled to the spot, and to his/her "cone of verticality."

This has got me thinking (hide the women and children), would this qualify as an intentional foul?

An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul designed to stop or keep the clock form starting, to neutralize an opponent's obvious advantageous position, contact away from the ball or when not playing the ball. It may or may not be premediated and is not based on the severity of the act. A foul also shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a plyer causes excessive contact with an opponent.

B1 is, by design, in a more advantageous position. A1 is deliberately trying to neutralize that advantageous position through illegal contact. The contact happens away from the ball and while not playing the ball. It some ways it's similar to reaching through the plane and fouling the thrower-in. Hmmmm, makes you think.

Please let me know when you are going to make this call and I'll fly out to be in that gym! You can return the favor by coming watch me not give a time-out to a "promoted" assistant coach.

PS For the record, I agree with Snaqwells.
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Old Tue Jan 18, 2005, 12:18am
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An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul designed to stop or keep the clock form starting, to neutralize an opponent's obvious advantageous position, contact away from the ball or when not playing the ball. It may or may not be premediated and is not based on the severity of the act. A foul also shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a plyer causes excessive contact with an opponent.

B1 is, by design, in a more advantageous position. A1 is deliberately trying to neutralize that advantageous position through illegal contact. The contact happens away from the ball and while not playing the ball. It some ways it's similar to reaching through the plane and fouling the thrower-in. Hmmmm, makes you think.
Please let me know when you are going to make this call and I'll fly out to be in that gym! You can return the favor by coming watch me not give a time-out to a "promoted" assistant coach.

PS For the record, I agree with Snaqwells. [/B]

Nah, let's just get film and put them on the Zebra Zone channel. All Stripes!! All The Time!!
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Old Tue Jan 18, 2005, 02:25am
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The air is free game, as long as their foot doesn't cross the plane.
What about the "cone of verticality?" Does that need to be considered here?
When it comes to A1 leaning on B1, I think it does. A1 is clearly entitled to the spot, and to his/her "cone of verticality."

This has got me thinking (hide the women and children), would this qualify as an intentional foul?

An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul designed to stop or keep the clock form starting, to neutralize an opponent's obvious advantageous position, contact away from the ball or when not playing the ball. It may or may not be premediated and is not based on the severity of the act. A foul also shall be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a plyer causes excessive contact with an opponent.

B1 is, by design, in a more advantageous position. A1 is deliberately trying to neutralize that advantageous position through illegal contact. The contact happens away from the ball and while not playing the ball. It some ways it's similar to reaching through the plane and fouling the thrower-in. Hmmmm, makes you think.

Please let me know when you are going to make this call and I'll fly out to be in that gym! You can return the favor by coming watch me not give a time-out to a "promoted" assistant coach.

PS For the record, I agree with Snaqwells.
Bring your appetite. There'll certainly be a thorough roasting followed by folks chewing my behind. Might want to bring some BBQ sauce as well
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Old Tue Jan 18, 2005, 10:57am
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Just be preventive and recognize the potential for leaning before it ever begins. 'Straight up, men," will work wonders, particularly if you do it from the beginning. The job is hard enough, no need to make it tougher.
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