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easygoer Tue Dec 28, 2004 07:18pm
This has come up several times. On a play under the basket near a sideline whatever. "A" player who is in the game steps out of bounds with both feet, "B" player (of the opposite team) trying to save the ball throws it off of "A" player who is standing out of bounds. Whose ball is it? The argument is that since "A" player who has both feet out is out of the play, it can't be out on him. If this were the case what would prevent the defense from stepping out of bounds on every saved ball attempt and touching the ball while being out of bounds??

Thanks

Lotto Tue Dec 28, 2004 07:31pm
Out of bounds on A. Give the ball to B.

Mark Padgett Tue Dec 28, 2004 09:58pm
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Originally posted by easygoer
If this were the case what would prevent the defense from stepping out of bounds on every saved ball attempt and touching the ball while being out of bounds??
That's one of the reasons it's not the case.

BktBallRef Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:41pm
Quote:
Originally posted by easygoer
This has come up several times. On a play under the basket near a sideline whatever. "A" player who is in the game steps out of bounds with both feet, "B" player (of the opposite team) trying to save the ball throws it off of "A" player who is standing out of bounds. Whose ball is it? The argument is that since "A" player who has both feet out is out of the play, it can't be out on him. If this were the case what would prevent the defense from stepping out of bounds on every saved ball attempt and touching the ball while being out of bounds??

Thanks
The argument is wrong.

On an inbounds play, thrower A1 passes the ball, B1 deflects the pass and it hits A1 who is still standing OOB. Who gets the ball?

easygoer Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:27pm
Who does get the balll?
 
?????

Adam Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:46pm
Re: Who does get the balll?
 
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Originally posted by easygoer
?????
If A1 touches the ball while standing out of bounds, A1 has caused the ball to go out of bounds. Keep it simple, and it makes sense.

B gets the ball.

BktBallRef Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:54pm
Re: Re: Who does get the balll?
 
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Originally posted by Snaqwells
Quote:
Originally posted by easygoer
?????
If A1 touches the ball while standing out of bounds, A1 has caused the ball to go out of bounds. Keep it simple, and it makes sense.

B gets the ball.
This man is much more than just a great cookie baker! :)

Jimgolf Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:19am
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Originally posted by easygoer
"A" player who is in the game steps out of bounds with both feet, "B" player (of the opposite team) trying to save the ball throws it off of "A" player who is standing out of bounds.
Why is this not a technical foul on A?

Adam Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:23am
Re: Re: Re: Who does get the balll?
 
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Snaqwells
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Originally posted by easygoer
?????
If A1 touches the ball while standing out of bounds, A1 has caused the ball to go out of bounds. Keep it simple, and it makes sense.

B gets the ball.
This man is much more than just a great cookie baker! :)
It's a good thing. There's no money in cookies. :D
Now officiating....

BktBallRef Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:32am
C'mon now! Those are damn good cookies!

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Hartsy Wed Dec 29, 2004 08:51am
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Originally posted by Jimgolf

Why is this not a technical foul on A? [/B]

I think the T is generally called only for going out of bounds w/o authorization and gaining an advantage. No advantage to be gained here. I suppose a T would be correct strictly "by the book".

Hartsy

johnnyrao Wed Dec 29, 2004 09:02am
Unfortunately this sometimes hurts a team. Had a kid (A1) last night in a Boys V game hustle more than any other I have seen all year. He saves a ball from going OOBs and falls to the ground. The ball rebounds off B1 and falls right in the kids lap on the ground. It pained my P to call the violation and gave the ball, correctly, to B.

joseph2493 Wed Dec 29, 2004 09:09am
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Originally posted by Jimgolf
Quote:
Originally posted by easygoer
"A" player who is in the game steps out of bounds with both feet, "B" player (of the opposite team) trying to save the ball throws it off of "A" player who is standing out of bounds.
Why is this not a technical foul on A?
It is!

Rich Wed Dec 29, 2004 09:49am
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Originally posted by joseph2493
Quote:
Originally posted by Jimgolf
Quote:
Originally posted by easygoer
"A" player who is in the game steps out of bounds with both feet, "B" player (of the opposite team) trying to save the ball throws it off of "A" player who is standing out of bounds.
Why is this not a technical foul on A?
It is!
It is what? Your opportunity to prove you don't understand the spirit of the rule?

Adam Wed Dec 29, 2004 09:54am
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Originally posted by Hartsy
Quote:
Originally posted by Jimgolf

Why is this not a technical foul on A?

I think the T is generally called only for going out of bounds w/o authorization and gaining an advantage. No advantage to be gained here. I suppose a T would be correct strictly "by the book".

Hartsy [/B]
We don't know why he went oob. His momentum may have carried him out trying to save a ball. In most cases, it's not a T because the reason he left is "authorized."

Perhaps the fed should define "authorized reason" here.


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