Coach out of line

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
maybe sit down away from the court and say something like: so that I can learn, help me understand why you went with your call over mine.

Since we don't hear his side, I don't know what he was thinking and it makes it hard to comment. Maybe there is something here to learn from and maybe he was just being Macho Ref. Maybe he had a foul long before you had your violation but he just had a slow whilstle.

That's why I suggest this as a possible avenue to explore.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by tomegun
BktBallRef, you are right you are getting one side of the story. Why would you mention this after someone makes a statement different than yours instead of saying this in the first place?

I don't know tome, maybe I ain't as smart as you.

What does it matter when I mentioned it? Read my initial reply. I stated basically the same thing, just use a more subtle approach.

Also, where did someone mention the "boss" being over 50?

LOL! Are you over 50, gun? No one said the boss was over 50, not even me. williebfree mentioned "seasoned" officials who have "paid their dues," and "their heart is not in it." I've heard those types of comments about some officials in my area. Most are over 50, some even over 60 and 70. Somehow, I came up with the idea that most of these guys are probably over 50. Sorry if I offended you.

Although I agree that we are only getting one side of the story it seems like you are being defensive when you don't have to be.

So, if I disucss a different point of view, I'm being defensive? I'm not Future909 or the boss, so I have no reason to be defensive. But I am offering some things to think about, since we are hearing just one side.

The question I would ask is concerning Future909's whistle. A 3-second violation 1.5 seconds prior to a foul doesn't sound right. Stepping in for a veteran to give a T like this certainly doesn't sound right. I think there might be more to this situation than we have been told.

Wow! We agree! Why didn't you say this in the first place? So why all the bull$hit questions?

If there are any other aspects of this discussion that you don't understand, just ask me and I'll be more than happy to explain what I can.

(That's a joke, gun.)

[Future909]

Thanks for all the responses guys. I take everyone's responses to heart seriously. Im not trying to make it sound that just because Im relatively still new Im trying to step on his toes for being slow or a little wierd. However, how I explained it was how it happened. My whistle and then the play stopped except for A1 driving the lane and the B1 defender. Everyone else froze. However, the T I called was because the game wasn't game anymore but a b**** fest between the other ref and coach, and as far as I was concerned I was refereeing a basketball game not a cat fight. I have talked to him since and he said that his emotions toward the other coach got the better of him for some reason and he was out of line and not professional.

[Forksref]

Originally posted by Future909
I just want to get your input on this:
As I said before I have a new boss this year that thinks he knows everything because he has been doing this 20 some years and I have been doing it for 3.
Game was a close game with 3 min to go in the 4th quarter and he was the U I was the R. I called a three second violation on the Away team probably a second and a half prior to my boss (U) calling a foul on the home team on the shot. I ran into him and told him I had a three second violation prior to the foul and he looked at me and said, "No, I want the foul." I came back and said look its a close game and my call was prior to yours, play was dead on my whistle. So obviously now the Home coach is going nuts. I backed off because he is my boss and has more years and walked over to the Home coach and told him, the U called a foul and its a foul. Home coach goes on the floor and argues with the U. Using profanity and my boss (U) is arguing right back and telling him he isnt going to listen to him, obviously iritating the coach more. I T'ed up the coach for the obvious obstruction and profanity, which calmed things down and went over to him and calmed him down. What should I have done, after all he is my boss and I need the money and its the only place in So. Cali that I know of that pays this much.
Sorry but this guy irritates me and I won't be doing games with him very often but he is one of those people who thinks he knows everything.

Sounds like he didn't want anyone to see that his call wasn't upheld. We had the same situation last week. (I am the one with 20+ years in.) I had foul, partner had travel. We talked, and we decided that the travel occurred first and we stuck with the travel. You need to ask him what occurred first. That is how you decide in these situations.

[Adam]

I'd only add to what forksref said by saying that when you have this discussion with your partner, no one else needs to hear it. An emotional partner is less likely to try and defend his turf if he doesn't think you're calling him out in public.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Snaqwells
I'd only add to what forksref said by saying that when you have this discussion with your partner, no one else needs to hear it. An emotional partner is less likely to try and defend his turf if he doesn't think you're calling him out in public.

I know you're not implying it, but I can't imagine a quality official getting worked up over this. There's times when a foul causes a travel or a travel comes first and the player with the ball is near the line splitting primaries.

If my partner comes to me and says, "The travel happened first," I'm thanking my partner for getting something I didn't see. And I expect my partner to react the same way.

[Forksref]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

I know you're not implying it, but I can't imagine a quality official getting worked up over this. There's times when a foul causes a travel or a travel comes first and the player with the ball is near the line splitting primaries.

If my partner comes to me and says, "The travel happened first," I'm thanking my partner for getting something I didn't see. And I expect my partner to react the same way.

I agree with Rich, I am thankful for the help. It's like having 2 flags on a play in FB. We know we're all giving good coverage.

[tomegun]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
While your "boss" won't be right every time, you should probably consider backing down a little and trying to learn from him. You say he "thinks he knows everything because he has been doing this 20 some years." Quite honestly, he does know a lot more than you do.

If he told you he had the foul, then he probably had a reason for it. Rather than arguing with him on the floor, back off and let him handle it. Further, your partner can take care of himself and probably didn't need you to pop in with the T. Back off and let the veteran take care of a few things. You'll learn from him. Don't be so fast to think that you know it all.

This is your initial response. It doesn't say anything about only getting one side of the story. Although you are right by saying he probably knows more doesn't mean he is supposed to just back off on his calls.

[tomegun]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Just keep in mind that we're only getting one side of the story here.

This is your second response. Basically Redhouse was not in agreement with him just backing off and after this you chose to mention the fact that we are only getting one side of the story. You did not mention it when you posted telling him to back off.

[tomegun]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Have you considered that perhaps Future90's "officiating style" needs to be imapcted by this person?

Lots of officials are a little slower and maybe not quite as sharp as they once were. Many don't want to hang it up. I know I'm not looking forward to that day.

But just because someone is a few steps slower or may disagree with a young official's call, it doesn't mean their heart is not in it. There's a lot to be learned from a lot of these guys.

Let's not disparage every official over the age of 50 with generalizations, just because they're over 50.

Quite honestly, Future909 reminds me of a lot of young bucks when he says, "He is one of those people who thinks he knows everything." I was a young buck once. Then I found out that it was me who thought he knew everything.

Now I'm just old (44), arrogant, and set in my ways.

This is your third response. You are the first and only person to mention the "boss" being 50 or over 50 until I mentioned you saying it. At this point I was wondering where you got the boss being 50 from.

[tomegun]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

I don't know tome, maybe I ain't as smart as you.

What does it matter when I mentioned it? Read my initial reply. I stated basically the same thing, just use a more subtle approach.

LOL! Are you over 50, gun? No one said the boss was over 50, not even me. williebfree mentioned "seasoned" officials who have "paid their dues," and "their heart is not in it." I've heard those types of comments about some officials in my area. Most are over 50, some even over 60 and 70. Somehow, I came up with the idea that most of these guys are probably over 50. Sorry if I offended you.

So, if I disucss a different point of view, I'm being defensive? I'm not Future909 or the boss, so I have no reason to be defensive. But I am offering some things to think about, since we are hearing just one side.

Wow! We agree! Why didn't you say this in the first place? So why all the bull$hit questions?

If there are any other aspects of this discussion that you don't understand, just ask me and I'll be more than happy to explain what I can.

(That's a joke, gun.)

I don't claim to be smarter than you or anyone else. In fact, I read the thread over a couple of times to see if I missed something after your second and third post.

Here are two quotes from you from two different posts in this thread:

"Let's not disparage every official over the age of 50 with generalizations, just because they're over 50."

"LOL! Are you over 50, gun? No one said the boss was over 50, not even me."

So, although you didn't directly say the boss was over 50 you are the only one, besides me calling you on it, to mention anything about someone being 50 or over 50. This puzzled me because you don't have to be over 50 to have 20 years of experience and I didn't know where this came from all of a sudden. To answer your question, no I'm not 50. I'm 34 and when I have 20 years of experience I will be 43.

I only mentioned you being defensive because you posted, someone disagreed with your line of thinking. He didn't even really disagree with you directly. After that you posted about only getting one side of the story. I was just curious as to why you had to say that after Redhouse's post and didn't include it in your post. Being defensive is something we all do at one time or another. You don't have to be defensive about being defensive! (that is a joke )

You're right. When it is all said and done we can agree that something doesn't seem right about the whole situation.