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Old Tue Dec 21, 2004, 10:51pm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BushRef
[QUOTE]Originally posted by davidw at 1:58 PM
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...heaves one handed shot to his basket approx. 70 ft. away.
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Originally posted by davidw at 2:39 PM
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I was new lead official, 80 ft. away from inbounding ball. One moment ball is being thrown towards one teams basket and a fraction of a sec. later it is going 75 ft. the other way.


Hmmmmmmm.....41 minutes and the shot has already gotten 5 feet longer. Wonder how long before it's a 100 Footer...
Was wondering if anyone would catch that and comment on it. But since I didn't have my tape measure with me, if figured the "approximately" had me covered. Besides, when it gets to 100' I'm pretty sure I got air in the whistle; can't shoot from the stands!


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Old Tue Dec 21, 2004, 11:11pm
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David, personally, I would say there is no way you could wave it off.

You have two pieces of timing guidance:

A shot attempt cannot be made (must be a tap) with less than 0.3 seconds. This plainly is not your case. You have more than 0.3 seconds - a try may be attempted.

The timer's ability to turn the clock on and off allows for a 1 second delay. Yes, you want them to do it correctly but you don't have any evidence that they did it incorrectly.

The play must stand. And it was an incredible shot, why would anyone even consider taking it away?

One hotdog's statement that it would be impossible to catch and toss within 0.6 (which could have been 0.69 seconds) has absolutely no bearing. He has no factual evidence. No empirical knowledge. Nothing but a hunch. Given that the officiating team doesn't feel the clock was started improperly (late), there is nothing within the rules that would allow you to wave off such a shot.

I would say, it was HIGHLY POSSIBLE. In fact, the kid just did it!
Tony,

Excellent points and well put. After our guest official came in and, in effect, dumped a bucket of ice water on us, I was feeling a little down after we had such a good outing. Thanks for your take on it.

Not to say we didn't learn (and maybe even "re-learned")something: referee the dead ball! Had we properly done that, we would have had the discussion with the timekeeper, improving our chances he would start the clock properly--which is not to say he didn't, but we would have at least been in a much stronger position with anyonethat questioned us about the whole thing; coach, fellow official, assignor, evaluator etc.
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