Coach gets personal - Page 3

BOBBYMO · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 16, 2004, 11:56am

I'd only smile so he'd know how much I enjoyed whacking him.
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OverAndBack.....Thats more info than I needed to know

Lets try to keep this a clean site.

Dan_ref · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 16, 2004, 12:24pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

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Originally posted by Robmoz

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
Hmmmm, how about this? I'm really stepping out into the dark side on this

If you whack the coach right then, you appear to be a reactionary jerk. He has the fans ear at that moment and if you whack him, it will appear that the coach is right.

But if you wait for the next opportunity, then push his buttons until he does something that appears to everybody to be deserving of a T, then reward him, you've just done what everybody expected. He won't have the fans on his side then.

If you subscribe to the pay side, check out Peter Osborne's series on Creative Ejections.

BITS, are you serious with this statement? You are suggesting that an official should "bait" a coach, this is unconscionable!

It would be bad enough to even consider such a thing let alone promote or attempt to apply it....shame on you.

Robmoz:

You picked up on something that I should have. Your comments are dead on.

MTD, Sr.

If one of our officials ever tried BIT's advice, he possibly could be an ex-official very quickly. That is completely unprofessional conduct. It also goes completely against what we are supposed to stand for- fairness.

Btw, I'm not surprised at the source though. Peter Osborne is a troll. He writes mainly to stir up crap, nothing else. You won't catch him actually trying to teach anything useful. You would be very wise if you didn't try to adapt anything that he espouses to our sport. Having him as a writer on the paid side of this site says very little for that particular part of this site too imo. He's a poor representative for any officiating group.

I agree baiting is not good. Not good at all.

However, it is possible to put one in your pocket if the game sitch isn't right for a T.

Not that *I* would ever put one in my pocket...well, almost never...sometimes...but I do like to take into account where we are in the game before T'ing folks up.

Having said that, I probably have a T for this coach...or maybe baggage for the next time I see him. Not that *I* would ever dream of putting one in my pocket...

referee1225 · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 16, 2004, 12:38pm

Coach asks "Is there a official in the house?" I would reply "yes coach right here, bam gets a "T" right now no questions asked. "oh and by the way coach you get to sit the rest of the night enjoy."

tjones1 · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 16, 2004, 04:27pm

Certainly sounds like taunting the crowd to me. T-bam, Whack, T-bone, Tweet or which ever! But only one!

OverAndBack · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 16, 2004, 04:51pm

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Originally posted by referee1225
Coach asks "Is there a official in the house?" I would reply "yes coach right here, bam gets a "T" right now no questions asked. "oh and by the way coach you get to sit the rest of the night enjoy."

Best. Response. Yet.

Forksref · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 16, 2004, 05:08pm

Not giving him a T at that time is giving him more rope so he will soon hang himself. Unless it is near the end of the game, it appears as if he will repeat his unsportsmanlike behavior shortly. The leash has become a choke chain. I think the showing up of the official may be a key here. If the gym was quiet when he said it and everyone heard it, then the immediate T is more likely. If he said it and you and a few front-row fans heard it, then I might wait for the next unsportsmanlike behavior.

When it happens, a smile is always optional.

zebra44 · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Dec 16, 2004, 09:21pm

I'd just hope he shut up so I didn't have to give him the second one. I HATE paperwork!

canuckrefguy · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 17, 2004, 12:06am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Most of us said T or toss. Interpreter said, ignore.

You interpreter needs to give his/her head a shake.

rainmaker · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 17, 2004, 09:47am

Okay, hey you in the back, QUIET!! Listen up here! I e-mailed our interpreter and here's the response he sent me. Gotta admit, I'm relieved. He apparently had referred to it in a humorous way, but where I was sitting, in a school cafeteria, with a very fractious PA system, we didn't hear the nuanced sarcasm very well, and so we thought he seriously meant to ignore it. (I may also admit if pressed, that I wasn't paying real close attention to all the details.) So everyone agrees: IT's a T, if not immediately, then very shortly.

Juulie,
I must apologize. The situation to which you are referring was a feeble attempt at a little humor. As you know, unless a coach's antics are so outlandish or disrespectable, it is usually very hard to "T" a coach for a single isolated incident. But, it certainly could and does happen. This situation that I referred to actually happened to me many years ago. I had worked for the coach several times prior and we always had a very good relationship. He was a lot like me in that we both had a good sense of humor. He complemented me when he thought I made a good call but also mentioned when he was a little unsure of my judgment but always in a light hearted and positive manner. The game was easy and without controversy. We had a few quick light hearted dialogues during the course of the game. I can't remember if he was ahead or behind in score when I made my blocking call. I do remember that as I was reporting the foul to the bench he made his remark to the crowd. I was caught off guard and momentarily didn't know what to do until I heard the roar of sincere laughter and applause I took for appreciation from the spectators. I looked at the coach, smiled and he gave me a great big grin. I shook my head and headed to the other end of the court. It was one my fonder memories of bb officiating.