basket good on player control foul?

[thumpferee]

NFHS

I have been debating this with my father who is a 27 year official and interpreter for his assosiation on a rule interp, and would like your thoughts. I know I shouldn't argue with my Pops, but we agree to disagree.

The Rule is 4-19-6 Player Control Foul. Case Book 4-19-6-C

The situation is: A1 leaves the floor on a shot attempt. B1 is stationary trying to draw the charge on A1. Before contact by A1 against B1, B2 goaltends the shot by A1. The rule states the basket counts, and B will get the ball on the player control foul. But, in 4-19-6-A the rule seems to contradict itself because of the player control foul.

4-19-6 states, a player control foul is a common foul committed by a player while he/she is in control of the ball or by an airborne shooter.

I interpret it that an airborne shooter is responsible for his/her actions until one foot touches the floor.

[Kelvin green]

General Rule is that no basket can score on a PC Foul.

However in the play you are talking about you have separate and independent actions.

A1 shoots (and is airborne)
B2 Goaltends. At that point ball is dead basket is scored.
A1 then committs PC foul (the foul cannot be ignored)

The airborne shooter is also an exception to the dead ball foul...

If there was no goaltending the basket would not count. However the independent actions of B cause the ball to score

Just like nearly everything in NFHS you always take the violation, foul, infraction in order..

[TriggerMN]

Even if the player-control contact happened BEFORE the ball was goaltended, the basket would count.

[BktBallRef]

The umpferee, the rule does not contradict itself. A violation occurs while the ball is still live. The foul would cause the ball to become dead. Count the basket.

Originally posted by TriggerMN
Even if the player-control contact happened BEFORE the ball was goaltended, the basket would count.

Not true.

If the foul occurs first, the ball is dead, and the GT is ignored.

The only way a basket can be awarded when a PC foul occurs is if the GT occurs before the foul.

[thumpferee]

Would it be the same ruling in NCAA considering there is no airborne shooter?

Or am I misinterpreting the rule?

[BktBallRef]

The ruling would be the same I beleive. The only difference in the NCAA Men's rule versus the NFHS rule is that if the shot is released prior to contact, the basket counts if it goes in, under NCAA Men's rules.