Stuff I seem to have forgotten

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by bbgirl
Okay, I have learned a lot from that thread, except the term "chop?"


I"m sure its something simple...like lower your arm or something...but just in case..

please explain.

"Chop" is the sigal used with your raised arm to start the clock.

Also this:

[zebraman]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Obviously my back is not completely to the sideline.

Well, OK... a little angle, but I was just saying that it's a little more clear to say the arm closer to the division line. Whatever works for ya'

Z

[bbgirl]

i thought it was a whirl of the finger while your "arm closer to the table," is in the air?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by bbgirl
i thought it was a whirl of the finger while your "arm closer to the table," is in the air?

The actual motion of the signal used to chop in time varies quite a bit.

But the term "chop" refers to the signal meant to start the clock.

[bbgirl]

so I could "twirl my finger," as long as I had the correct arm raised and performed the action at the correct time, then?

[zebraman]

Originally posted by bbgirl
i thought it was a whirl of the finger while your "arm closer to the table," is in the air?

I think you may be referring to the unauthorized signal that some officials use to indicate that a free throw violation occurred by the shooter when their free throw attempt did not hit the rim.

Z

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by bbgirl
so I could "twirl my finger," as long as I had the correct arm raised and performed the action at the correct time, then?

Sure, if that's how they do it in your area and in the leagues you work, then twirl away

[bbgirl]

thank you sir. In my area, they dont follow the rules at all, actually. Not wanting to get anyone in trouble, but its pretty sad. Thats why I'm here.

[jritchie]

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Well, OK... a little angle, but I was just saying that it's a little more clear to say the arm closer to the division line. Whatever works for ya'

Z [/B][/QUOTE]

so you use the arm closest to the division line which would be the right arm if you are on the left end of the court facing the table??? can you still see the players that are not on the line back around the top of the key elbowing each other????? periffeal(sp) vision is blocked by that arm and makes it hard to see.... imho, i think the left arm on the left side facing the table is better to use???
any other opinions and reasons?????

not saying either is better, just wondering who does what and why?? i have been taught that way...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Awww, c'mon now, you're just pretending to be dense (or to quote a great statesman from the south: "another stupid yankee ).

[/B][/QUOTE]Well, he was right anyway about that stoopid yankee. Now he's got a whole 'nother state he can piss off.

[zebraman]

Originally posted by jritchie

so you use the arm closest to the division line which would be the right arm if you are on the left end of the court facing the table??? can you still see the players that are not on the line back around the top of the key elbowing each other????? periffeal(sp) vision is blocked by that arm and makes it hard to see.... imho, i think the left arm on the left side facing the table is better to use???
any other opinions and reasons?????

not saying either is better, just wondering who does what and why?? i have been taught that way...

I've never had my arm block any of my peripheral vision. (I must hold it really straight ) and that is why I stand pretty much parallel to the sideline in 2-person rather than angled like I do in 3-person. If I turn at an angle in 2-person, I'm not even giving peripheral vision to anyone behind the top-of-the-key. I don't raise my arm until the ball is released and once it's released, my primary responsibility is the shooter and the lane players opposite. (we all know that in 2-person you have to make some trade-offs from time-to-time).

I was always taught to use the arm closest to the division line (for the count and the chop) not only to avoid distracting the shooter but also because it's easier for the timekeeper to see.

Z

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by jritchie

Well, OK... a little angle, but I was just saying that it's a little more clear to say the arm closer to the division line. Whatever works for ya'

Z [/B][/QUOTE]

so you use the arm closest to the division line which would be the right arm if you are on the left end of the court facing the table??? can you still see the players that are not on the line back around the top of the key elbowing each other????? periffeal(sp) vision is blocked by that arm and makes it hard to see.... imho, i think the left arm on the left side facing the table is better to use???
any other opinions and reasons?????

not saying either is better, just wondering who does what and why?? i have been taught that way... [/B][/QUOTE]

Your arm is only raised on the release of the FT. Not sure how it could interfere with viewing the players above the kay. Turn a little left or right to eliminate the issue if it is really a problem.

Arm away from shooter's field of vision is the only way to do it (and that is the arm closest to the division line).

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

Well, OK... a little angle, but I was just saying that it's a little more clear to say the arm closer to the division line. Whatever works for ya'

Z

so you use the arm closest to the division line which would be the right arm if you are on the left end of the court facing the table??? can you still see the players that are not on the line back around the top of the key elbowing each other????? periffeal(sp) vision is blocked by that arm and makes it hard to see.... imho, i think the left arm on the left side facing the table is better to use???
any other opinions and reasons?????

not saying either is better, just wondering who does what and why?? i have been taught that way... [/B][/QUOTE]

Your arm is only raised on the release of the FT. Not sure how it could interfere with viewing the players above the kay. Turn a little left or right to eliminate the issue if it is really a problem.

Arm away from shooter's field of vision is the only way to do it (and that is the arm closest to the division line). [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes - unless you're raising your arm before the FT is shot (which you should not be doing) then the shooters field of vision has no bearing on this. That arm is raised for the benefit of the table.

As for the wrist flick, I already told you I use the hand that is closest the opposite sideline so it is *not* the only way. And if you do the wrist flick such that your leg hides it there's no need to be concerned with the shooter's field of vision.

And if you completed "Walking and chewing gum at the same time 101" it won't be a problem.

[jritchie]

you are just to the left of the top of the key, 3 feet off of the 3 pt line, turned a little at an angle...the right arm WOULD be in the way to see, scorers table, and anything going on around midcourt...your not raising the arm until the ball is released anyways, how could it interfere with the shooter....you are stepping in/down on the shot too, to cover rebounding position etc. So you have to be able to make sure no one throws a cheap shot and if you turn your head a little to the right with your right arm up you have no vision thru your arm...nothing is happening to the left so why not use the left arm and it's out of the way.. I THINK, my opinion, that the left arm would be better to use on left side..and the right on the right end of the court

[zebraman]

getting a little testy here guys. The bottom line is that the official's manual does not specify which arm(s) to use and arguments can be made for either/both. Do it how you were trained and/or how is accepted in your area.

Z