Washington State Interpretation Mtg.

[BktBallRef]

What'd I miss!?!

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by coachz_216
I just wish that some of the people posting could maintain some civility about it! I'm not trying to insult anyone.

Originally posted by coachz_216

If you can't understand that this is how proper defense is taught (not just by me, but by almost every coach at every level) in the game, then I'm not sure that this discussion need to continue.


This means that their stance is wider (laterally) than an offensive player (if you choose to ignore this reality, then I'm not sure if you can understand the rest of this).

These last two sentences are direct quotes from your posts. They feel insulting, even if they weren't intended that way. If you want the conversation to stay civil, please don't talk like this any more. It also helps to keep the mindset that others may totally disagree with you and still be capable and successful at what they do. You don't have to assume that anyone who doesn't think the way you do is an idiot or fool. Reasonable, intelligent, mature, successful people can completely and totally disagree about the nature of reality, and never find a resolution. If you doubt that, just look closely at the latest presidential election.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by zebraman
Mick,

Do you think the defender should have to get there early enough to have time to look down and make sure he doesn't put a foot on the line? If so, the dribblers must be a lot slower than when I played.

Z

Z, that's too E-Z!

If a coach can teach his defender to step OOB to cut off the dribbler's path, then he can most assuredly teach him that it's against the rules to step OOB, "So don't do it."

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Z, that's too E-Z!

If a coach can teach his defender to step OOB to cut off the dribbler's path, then he can most assuredly teach him that it's against the rules to step OOB, "So don't do it."

If a coach can teach a dribbler not to step oob, she can teach a defender not to. It's not really that difficult of a concept.

[zebraman]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Z, that's too E-Z!

If a coach can teach his defender to step OOB to cut off the dribbler's path, then he can most assuredly teach him that it's against the rules to step OOB, "So don't do it."

When I played defense (which was rare, I admit ), I was taught to be looking at the defender's torso. If you look at the ball or the feet instead, the offensive player has you beat already. I just don't understand how the defender can now be expected to look down and pick up the sideline when trying to stay with Johnny Quickstep. If Johnny Quickstep sees the defender look down, he's gone. If the defender doesn't look down and Johnny Quickstep sees the defenders foot on the line, he initiates contact for a block (as written in the rules). It just doens't seem very well thought out.

Z

[zebraman]

Originally posted by rainmaker

If a coach can teach a dribbler not to step oob, she can teach a defender not to. It's not really that difficult of a concept.

Not that simple. Anyone who has played the game knows that the defense reacts to where the offense goes. As a defender, you are in reaction mode and if B1 looks down to see where his feet are, A1 leaves him in the dust.

Z

[rainmaker]

In reality, Z, the defender only has to have her foot off the line if there's contact. It's not as though it can never touch the line at all. The dribbler has to be much more careful about where the line is. The defender can be a foot or 18 inches away from the line and still be effectively blocking the dribbler from moving down the line. A good feel for where the line is should be enough. The dribbler needs much more exact feel than that.

[rainmaker]

Now I'm going to arrogantly claim the last word and walk away from this discussion because I need to go have a life. I'll check back in this evening, for anotoher lesson in coaching.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by zebraman
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I just don't understand how the defender can now be expected to look down and pick up the sideline when trying to stay with Johnny Quickstep. If Johnny Quickstep sees the defender look down, he's gone. If the defender doesn't look down and Johnny Quickstep sees the defenders foot on the line, he initiates contact for a block (as written in the rules). It just doens't seem very well thought out.

[/B][/QUOTE]As was pointed out before, the defender really doesn't have to pick up the sideline. All he/she has to do is get within 3 feet of the sideline and maintain LGP.

R4-7-2(c)-- "There must be reasonable space between....a defensive player and a boundary line to continue in his/her path. If there is less than 3 feet of space, the dribbler has the greater responsibility for the contact".

Z, the rules already give the defender 3 feet in-bounds from a line to get their outside foot down on defense. Why should they be given the OOB area on top of that also?

[mick]

Originally posted by zebraman
When I played defense (which was rare, I admit )....

Z,
A different perspective [from a "shooter"] is certainly welcome.

Now, on the other hand, some players played defense. (see right-handed balls reference. [Uh..., dont bother. ]).
Johnny Quickstep was forced to go where the defense wanted him to go. If he happened to be quicker, the defender had to get somewhere ...sooner.
Peripheral vision will take care of locating the sideline.
Anticipation will take care of Johnny.
Offensively challenged players know this.
I know.

mick

[zebraman]

Originally posted by mick

Z,
A different perspective [from a "shooter"] is certainly welcome.

Now, on the other hand, some players played defense. (see right-handed balls reference. [Uh..., dont bother. ]).
Johnny Quickstep was forced to go where the defense wanted him to go. If he happened to be quicker, the defender had to get somewhere ...sooner.
Peripheral vision will take care of locating the sideline.
Anticipation will take care of Johnny.
Offensively challenged players know this.
I know.

mick

I had the offensive end figured out Mick. On defense, I'm not sure I ever got into LGP because as A1, I was rarely within 6' of B1. I had a 6'8" leaper on my team and he covered for me.

Z

[cmathews]

Originally posted by rainmaker

These last two sentences are direct quotes from your posts. They feel insulting, even if they weren't intended that way. If you want the conversation to stay civil, please don't talk like this any more. It also helps to keep the mindset that others may totally disagree with you and still be capable and successful at what they do. You don't have to assume that anyone who doesn't think the way you do is an idiot or fool. Reasonable, intelligent, mature, successful people can completely and totally disagree about the nature of reality, and never find a resolution. If you doubt that, just look closely at the latest presidential election.

I couldn't agree more with rainmaker.

[GarthB]

Rainmaker wrote: "Reasonable, intelligent, mature, successful people can completely and totally disagree about the nature of reality, and never find a resolution. If you doubt that, just look closely at the latest presidential election.
"

And which side had the "reasonable, intelligent and mature people?"

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by GarthB
Rainmaker wrote: "Reasonable, intelligent, mature, successful people can completely and totally disagree about the nature of reality, and never find a resolution. If you doubt that, just look closely at the latest presidential election.
"

And which side had the "reasonable, intelligent and mature people?"

She didn't say either side was full of "reasonable, intelligent and mature people?" Each had at least two. I'll name them.....

hmmmm....

I'll have to get back to you on the names.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by GarthB
Rainmaker wrote: "Reasonable, intelligent, mature, successful people can completely and totally disagree about the nature of reality, and never find a resolution. If you doubt that, just look closely at the latest presidential election.
"

And which side had the "reasonable, intelligent and mature people?"

Both sides do. That's the point.