Test answers - Page 7

totalnewbie · #91 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 15, 2004, 05:52pm

Thanks JR that is really nice of you to say. If I manage to do anything right this year it will be solely because some senior guys took an interest in me and helped me. Luckily I know that I dont know anything and I'm happy to soak up all the advice I can get.

Clark

JRutledge · #92 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 15, 2004, 06:15pm

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Originally posted by gordon30307
Hey Rut. His intials are G. S. I'm sure you know him. Also He does this just to get a rise out of people. Best just to ignore him on the basketball forum.

No. I really am not familiar with many umpires the same way I am with the other sports. Really I do not care. It is one thing to know someone, it is entirely another to have to interact and deal with someone. I do not run into anyone that would really have that much personal influence on what I do that comes from his organization, so it might be an interesting note to find out who he is, but rather irrelevant to my everyday officiating life.

Peace

JRutledge · #93 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 15, 2004, 06:40pm

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Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
This is not about getting a rise out of anyone.
This is about making officials better.
You may not agree with some/much/most of what I've said here or on the baseball board, but you can't argue that providing the answers to a test is not cheating. It is called a test for a reason after all. A lot of people have failed open book tests before. More important, those that pass but have crappy scores, provide assignors and directors with one more tool in evaluating.

Can you honestly support giving someone in Illinois the answers to a test that determines promotion and playoff status? Other states do the same thing and we now have a whole lot of officials that have 99's and 100's that don't belong on a Varsity floor. Let's promote them, though...yeah, that's fair.

BTW, if Rut hasn't figured out the identity puzzle, that speaks volumes about his talent.

You really do not understand basketball I see in our state. You cannot get on a playoff basketball floor without first working varsity games. If all you have is a test score and not ratings (varsity games only btw) or Top 15 list status and no playoff experience, it does not matter what you score is, you are not going to the playoffs. Basketball is not baseball. They do not regularly give playoff games to X and R officials. And, Kurt Gibson made it clear that the more conferences you work (evidence by your ratings) you the more likely you will get. And the IHSA is heavy on mechanics and working the many philosophies that the IHSA holds. This is especially the case on the Boy's side. If you are not working regularly on the Boy's side, you are not going to get into the playoffs. It ain't happening.

Peace

ref18 · #94 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 15, 2004, 07:02pm

Okay,

I think it's time to close this thread.

If the origional poster or moderator reads this, please close this.

Otherwise, if you still want the test, send me an e-mail, as I don't feel like reading through this crap.

WindyCityBlue · #95 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 16, 2004, 10:41am

ref 18,

Can I have the answers to the test?

Please send them to:

Kurt Gibson
Illinois High School Association
Assistant Executive Director - Boys Basketball
2715 McGraw Drive
Bloomington, Illinois 60712

Please include your name and address so I can properly thank you for ruining officiating across the country.

JRutledge · #96 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 16, 2004, 11:04am

Hey Windy,

He can send them to who ever he wants to right now. Time for taking the test is over in Illinois.

But you knew that I guess. NOT!!!!

Why did you not give Beth's name and address? If someone does not work Boy's basketball, Kurt is not anyone they would be concerned with. And Kurt is not over the official's department. Kurt does the assigning for the post season. He is not over the status of officials and their licensing and testing issues. That is Dave's job. But you are so big time, you should know that already. I have told you that many times.

Peace

[Edited by JRutledge on Nov 16th, 2004 at 11:29 AM]

gordon30307 · #97 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 16, 2004, 12:07pm

Quote:

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
ref 18,

Can I have the answers to the test?

Please send them to:

Kurt Gibson
Illinois High School Association
Assistant Executive Director - Boys Basketball
2715 McGraw Drive
Bloomington, Illinois 60712

Please include your name and address so I can properly thank you for ruining officiating across the country.

Windy,

Many moons ago I was a member of Umps (An organization I have a lot of respect for) and as I recall Bill and/or Russ conducted a class in February where we did the test as a group. You are a member of Umps. Are you telling me that your members don't compare answers? You must think that the powers that be at the Fed. are stupid. They know that the answers are passed around. If they wanted to the Part 1 test could be administered as part of A Rules Interp. If it were done this way the weeping and gnashing of teeth would be unbearable.

JRutledge · #98 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 16, 2004, 12:27pm

Not only would there be an unbearable, they might just lose officials. The people that work the lower level games, might just say forget it and work youth ball or rec. leagues and not get licensed at all. I know they would lose football officials if they did that. Football officials can make more money working Pop Warner than wasting their time with HS games where you have to have a license and not get paid the same amount for a day working youth football.

Peace

WindyCityBlue · #99 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 16, 2004, 02:50pm

Quote:

Originally posted by gordon30307 [/B]

Windy,

Many moons ago I was a member of Umps (An organization I have a lot of respect for) and as I recall Bill and/or Russ conducted a class in February where we did the test as a group. You are a member of Umps. Are you telling me that your members don't compare answers? You must think that the powers that be at the Fed. are stupid. They know that the answers are passed around. If they wanted to the Part 1 test could be administered as part of A Rules Interp. If it were done this way the weeping and gnashing of teeth would be unbearable. [/B][/QUOTE]

gordon,
Bill/Russ or Mike may have taught the class that used the Part 1 test as the basis for discussion. I have attended many of these and without fail it goes something like this:

Week 1) The first twenty five questions are assigned to the rookies. They are asked to answer them and return the following week for discussion.
Week 2) Bill/Rus or Mike will randomly select members and ask the question. He/she will give their answer and the class will either agree or disagree. All rulings are cited with page number and rule number.
Weeks 3-6) These same rookies knock off the remaining questions in the same manner. The funny thing is that they are actually due the week before the last week of training. So, they will not be provided all of the answers at our sessions, prior to the closing of the test!

Of course the answers are discusssed and passed around. I've been asked for the answers hundreds of times and NEVER give them out. I may answer a question or provide a ruling to demonstarte it, but he/she must still figure it out. Your thought that "cheating is unavoidable, so why not just live with it?" is the antithesis of officiating. The NFHS trusts that the indviduals that are supposedly upholding the rules will behave in a like manner. Didn't your mother ever say, "Just because all of the other kids are jumping off the building, doesn't mean you have to do it." I choose not to perpetuate fraud. The test is simple and a few points can and does make a difference. Ignoring the infraction is just as bad as encouraging it.

WindyCityBlue · #**100** (**permalink**) Tue Nov 16, 2004, 02:54pm

Rut,

Is the test closed in every other state? That's right, you have again stumbled at the base line.

Kurt might want to know the name of the guy who posted weeks ago that he would provide the answers to his crews. I used his name because you did. I did not include beth or any other state director, since you seem to be the only one here that likes tedious work.

You have still not given one reason why providing the answers to this test is a good thing. Some of us want to insure that the next generation is prepared and not coddled. Tests are about accountability and pressure...so is officiating.

Ctownref · #**101** (**permalink**) Tue Nov 16, 2004, 02:55pm

I am new to officiating (a college student), and would like to have a copy of the test answers and questions. This will help me prepare for my youth jobs, and eventually start doing high school games.

thanks,

[email protected]

WindyCityBlue · #**102** (**permalink**) Tue Nov 16, 2004, 03:01pm

Where do you live?

Join the state group and pay the fee. They will be happy to supply you with the rules books and test. The answers are available if you are so inclined. Just remember that the answers don't do you any good if you don't know the "why" that goes with them.

ref18 · #**103** (**permalink**) Tue Nov 16, 2004, 03:02pm

Quote:

Originally posted by WindyCityBlue
ref 18,

Can I have the answers to the test?

Please send them to:

Kurt Gibson
Illinois High School Association
Assistant Executive Director - Boys Basketball
2715 McGraw Drive
Bloomington, Illinois 60712

Please include your name and address so I can properly thank you for ruining officiating across the country.

Whenever you have a test, you'll have cheaters. I'm not giving out the answers to cheat, but merely for people to check their own answers. They are to be used as a study tool. If you think that I've ruined officiating, then you've got some problems.

I hope all officials aren't like you.

Why don't you just shut the f*ck up, because I'm sick and tired of listening to you b*tch and moan about how you're against this.

If you're so against it then just don't read the thread, don't request the answers. Save valuable bandwidth for people who want to improve their officiating, not f*cking complain about insignificant bullsh!t.

ref18 · #**104** (**permalink**) Tue Nov 16, 2004, 03:10pm

Oh Yeah, One other thing,

I'm going to be doing another mailing either late tonight or early tomorrow. If you haven't yet sent me an e-mail containing you're address for me to respond to please do so, you can use the little e-mail icon at the bottom of this post.

due to the complexity of this thread, I will not be reading through it to look for e-mail addresses any more, so if you want the test, E-MAIL me.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Ref18

Jurassic Referee · #**105** (**permalink**) Tue Nov 16, 2004, 03:37pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ref18
[/B]

Whenever you have a test, you'll have cheaters. I'm not giving out the answers to cheat, but merely for people to check their own answers. They are to be used as a study tool. If you think that I've ruined officiating, then you've got some problems.

[/B][/QUOTE]I see, by the link to your home association that you provided in another thread, that YOUR exam date is next Monday, November 22nd. Good luck with your studying. Btw, if you are writing the IAABO refresher exam instead of the NFHS exam, another kindred soul has just provided the answers to that one today also. Just look for the IAABO test thread.