Would you have T`d the coach?

[Jay R]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

I hope you didn't call this as a player control foul.

No I did not. That`s why I said a charge. However it was a college game and the college mechanic is to use a player-control foul signal on all offensive fouls.

[Jay R]

It was not a scrimmage. It was an exhibition game between two small colleges.

I did give the coach a T. After the game, I was discussing the play with my partners. I mentionned that I was not certain if the frustration was at me or the player. My partners said it was a good technical either way. I was having some doubt. I called the technical foul instinctively. It was probably that fact that led my uncertainty afterwards.

[mick]

Originally posted by Jay R
...the college mechanic is to use a player-control foul signal on all offensive fouls.

I'm thinking that's a team control signal.
mick

[mick]

Originally posted by Jay R
I called the technical foul instinctively.

There ya go, Jay R !
Didn't even hafta think about it.
Easy call.
Good call.
mick

[Rich]

Originally posted by rwest

I'm not sure I agree. The purposes of scrimmages is to simulate real game situations and for everyone involved to get ready for the season: coaches, players and refs. During a scrimmage do we call a block/charge the same way we would during the regular season? Sure, we do. We better. We're being evaluated. Are we not going to T up players and eject them for fighting? Sure we are. So why protect the coach, when we won't protect the players? Why are we more lenient on T's when in comes to the coaches behavior? What warrants a T in regular season should warrant a T during pre-season. I mean, a coach has to cross a line before I T'm him up. I don't have a quick trigger.

Dan, I was of the same opinion as you until earlier this year when I was involved in a scrimmage game. We were having problems with the home team coach. During a break we made a comment to the evaluator that we wished we could T him up. The evalutor replied, I'd have already T'd him. Guess what happened when play resumed and the coach slammed the bench! TWEET!

I'll never forget a former supervisor of mine -- when told an official whacked a coach during a scrimmage, he said:

"You did what? If you have to whack a coach during a scrimmage, you put the ball in the table and go to the house. Nobody should work for free and take crap."

And that's been my theory ever since.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

I'll never forget a former supervisor of mine -- when told an official whacked a coach during a scrimmage, he said:

"You did what? If you have to whack a coach during a scrimmage, you put the ball in the table and go to the house. Nobody should work for free and take crap."

And that's been my theory ever since.

Free?

Nope, I don't think so.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Free?

Nope, I don't think so.

That association would have everyone work a scrimmage or two as a donation -- and you'd potentially get evaluated at them.

[rainmaker]

In Portland, we don't do scrimmages for free...

but we aren't paid in money. Instead, we get brownie points with the assignor, a little exercise, and a chance to say to a coach a week after the scrimmage, " Last Wednesday, you WANTED me to call that on your players!" Definitely worth it's weight in gold!

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

That association would have everyone work a scrimmage or two as a donation -- and you'd potentially get evaluated at them.

In any event I can't imagine walking out on a game I accepted. And certainly not because I couldn't handle the coach.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

In any event I can't imagine walking out on a game I accepted. And certainly not because I couldn't handle the coach.

Well, they weren't games. No score would be kept and the coaches could stop play anytime they wanted to.

One guy was just out of control and an official whacked him. The coach laughed, kept right on harassing the official, and told him he didn't care what the official did because his school wasn't in the area our association served.

In the end, one guy left after getting berated for another five minutes or so.

And that school wasn't invited back for the scrimmage the following season.

Now where I live we get paid for the scrimmages and the coaches treat them like any other game.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

Well, they weren't games. No score would be kept and the coaches could stop play anytime they wanted to.

One guy was just out of control and an official whacked him. The coach laughed, kept right on harassing the official, and told him he didn't care what the official did because his school wasn't in the area our association served.

In the end, one guy left after getting berated for another five minutes or so.

And that school wasn't invited back for the scrimmage the following season.

Now where I live we get paid for the scrimmages and the coaches treat them like any other game. [/B]

I say it's a game, you say it's not a game...sigh...OK, I fixed the words in my original post.

And I would never, ever let a coach run me out of a gym.

[TravelinMan]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

I hope you didn't call this as a player control foul.

Mark, that's a great point. Please elaborate. Thanks.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by TravelinMan

Mark, that's a great point. Please elaborate. Thanks.

TravelinMan, the play is described as a "pass and crash". Once the dribbler passes the ball, s/he no longer has player control. Therefore the crash can't be a PC foul. This is a common foul, and if B is in the bonus, then the defender who got "crashed into" will shoot FTs.

[Jay R]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

TravelinMan, the play is described as a "pass and crash". Once the dribbler passes the ball, s/he no longer has player control. Therefore the crash can't be a PC foul. This is a common foul, and if B is in the bonus, then the defender who got "crashed into" will shoot FTs.

Not in NCAA. Team control foul, no FTs.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jay R

Not in NCAA. Team control foul, no FTs.

Good point. I was assuming it was a HS scrimmage.