Intentional Foul?

tjchamp · #1 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 27, 2004, 01:52pm

During a dead ball, as I am walking to the table to report a foul, I notice B1 giving A1 a good shove, hard enough that A1 lost his balance. If I am going to call a foul, do I have to make it an Intentional foul?

SamIAm · #2 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 27, 2004, 01:58pm

Someone will provide more detail than I , but you would have to make it a technical foul.

Lotto · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 27, 2004, 01:59pm

A contact foul during a dead ball can only be an intentional or flagrant foul. You could also rule this a fighting foul if you think that B1's push is intended to instigate a fight.

bob jenkins · #4 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 27, 2004, 03:27pm

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Originally posted by tjchamp
During a dead ball, as I am walking to the table to report a foul, I notice B1 giving A1 a good shove, hard enough that A1 lost his balance. If I am going to call a foul, do I have to make it an Intentional foul?

Contact while the ball is dead is ignored unless it's intentional or flagrant or committed on or by an airborne shooter.

An intentional or flagrant contact foul while the ball is dead and not by an airborne shooter is a technical foul.

missinglink · #5 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 27, 2004, 03:33pm

This contact can't be a personal foul (Fund 10). Because it is dead ball contact this is a technical foul (4.10.5.c). Judgment call/decision if this technical foul was only intentional or was flagrant as well.

Ron Pilo · #6 (**permalink**) Wed Oct 27, 2004, 04:06pm

I made a little diagram that might help in the future.

http://home.officiating.com/sowb/Doc.../foul_flow.pdf

Nevadaref · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 28, 2004, 01:38am

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Originally posted by Ron Pilo
I made a little diagram that might help in the future.

http://home.officiating.com/sowb/Doc.../foul_flow.pdf

Nice effort, Ron. I'm sure that your diagram will help many officials.

However, would you please remove the word "common" from the technical foul side and replace it with "administrative"?

Redhouse · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 28, 2004, 11:03am

WOW Ron, did you do that just for us. You are very quick. Are you a retired official?

rockyroad · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 28, 2004, 11:11am

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Originally posted by Redhouse
WOW Ron, Are you a retired official?

ROFLMAO!! As someone who can proudly boast "I know Ron Pilo", I can certainly tell you that he is not retired...maybe not as quick on his feet as he used to be, but not retired!! He's pretty much a fixture in a championship game at one State tournament or another!!

ChuckElias · #10 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 28, 2004, 11:13am

Hey Rocky, 1,000 posts!!! Woo-hoo!!

Redhouse · #11 (**permalink**) Thu Oct 28, 2004, 12:34pm

i was just kidding with Ron. I am new to the board and have been enjoying all the information. Keep up the good work guys and gals.