Odd situation

Kris3333 · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 18, 2004, 02:27pm

Ok, this didn't totally happen...but my daughter and I are wondering what happens, if a player shoots a ball and it goes UP through the basket and then comes back down? Or, if it goes UP through the basket and bounces out of the top?

We had a player that shot it up through the basket, but it didn't go all the way through and just came back down. They just "rebounded" it and kept going.

I have misplaced my rule books from last year so can't look it up myself (I know, for shame!!).

Anyway, what's the call and what is the rule? I told my daughter I would ask at my association meeting, but I'm afraid of the ribbing I'd get! Thanks everyone.

Kris3333

bob jenkins · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 18, 2004, 02:32pm

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Originally posted by Kris3333
Ok, this didn't totally happen...but my daughter and I are wondering what happens, if a player shoots a ball and it goes UP through the basket and then comes back down? Or, if it goes UP through the basket and bounces out of the top?

We had a player that shot it up through the basket, but it didn't go all the way through and just came back down. They just "rebounded" it and kept going.

I have misplaced my rule books from last year so can't look it up myself (I know, for shame!!).

Anyway, what's the call and what is the rule? I told my daughter I would ask at my association meeting, but I'm afraid of the ribbing I'd get! Thanks everyone.

Kris3333

Violation.

Jurassic Referee · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 18, 2004, 03:41pm

Rules reference is NFHS R9-4.

Camron Rust · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 18, 2004, 07:25pm

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Originally posted by bob jenkins

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Originally posted by Kris3333
Ok, this didn't totally happen...but my daughter and I are wondering what happens, if a player shoots a ball and it goes UP through the basket and then comes back down? Or, if it goes UP through the basket and bounces out of the top?

We had a player that shot it up through the basket, but it didn't go all the way through and just came back down. They just "rebounded" it and kept going.

I have misplaced my rule books from last year so can't look it up myself (I know, for shame!!).

Anyway, what's the call and what is the rule? I told my daughter I would ask at my association meeting, but I'm afraid of the ribbing I'd get! Thanks everyone.

Kris3333

Violation.

...and as soon as it passes through from bottom to top. If it goes partially into the net but doesn't go through, it's nothing.

Back In The Saddle · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Oct 18, 2004, 09:02pm

Since you don't have your book, here's what R9-4 actually says: A player shall not travel with the ball, as in 4-49, intentionally kick it, as in 4-29, strike it with the fist or cause it to enter and pass though the basket from below.

Kris3333 · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 19, 2004, 11:14am

So it's a violation on the shooter? Guess that could be a pretty cool strategy if it wasn't a violation.

Sorry, I'm a pretty new ref so haven't had all these wierd situations yet. I'm sure you all have been over this many times before.

jritchie · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 19, 2004, 11:18am

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
A player shall not strike it with the fist .

just wondering, i have seen point guards receive an inbounds pass and non chalantly toss it in the air and with a closed fist hit the ball down to start their dribble, wouldn't this be considered striking it with their fist??? what is the rationale of not allowing this to happen???

Jurassic Referee · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 19, 2004, 11:21am

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Originally posted by jritchie

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
A player shall not strike it with the fist .

just wondering, i have seen point guards receive an inbounds pass and non chalantly toss it in the air and with a closed fist hit the ball down to start their dribble, wouldn't this be considered striking it with their fist??? what is the rationale of not allowing this to happen???

The rule was originally put in for safety reasons. They didn't want players punching at sumthin', and then possibly missing and whacking somebody.

Camron Rust · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 19, 2004, 11:26am

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Originally posted by jritchie

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
A player shall not strike it with the fist .

just wondering, i have seen point guards receive an inbounds pass and non chalantly toss it in the air and with a closed fist hit the ball down to start their dribble, wouldn't this be considered striking it with their fist??? what is the rationale of not allowing this to happen???

Not the intent of the rule, IMHO. They don't want people trying to steal the ball or to knock it away from others by punching the ball with the fist. If they miss, you have a punch that might land on a face. Now, was that punch a fight or was it just a missed steal? Even if it were innocent, will it trigger a real fight? Even if there were no confusion, it would still hurt a lot more than being hit with an open hand.

bob jenkins · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Oct 19, 2004, 01:00pm

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Originally posted by jritchie
just wondering, i have seen point guards receive an inbounds pass and non chalantly toss it in the air and with a closed fist hit the ball down to start their dribble, wouldn't this be considered striking it with their fist??? what is the rationale of not allowing this to happen???

I seem to recall that this call was made in an NBA game a few years back.