how bout this one?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Consider however you like, there are two different types of jumpstops as defined by the NFHS Rule Book. That IS the "intended meaning."

While I acknowledge that there are two types of jump-stop, I agree with Indy, in that I feel the basketball world would be a better place if we all agreed to use the phrase "jump-stop" only for the situation in which the player can no longer pivot.

[BktBallRef]

True. It's destroying the game.

Seriously, in this case, it caused an official to offer an incorrect answer. That's more confusion than is needed. SO until the rule is changed for the good of the game, it is what it is, and should be referred to that way.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
True. It's destroying the game.

Seriously, in this case, it caused an official to offer an incorrect answer. That's more confusion than is needed.

I agree. I just think a better solution -- a better way to reduce the confusion of having two moves known by the same name -- is for everyone to agree on using the phrase "jump-stop" for only one of those moves.

And although it's just my personal preference, I would vote for reserving "jump-stop" only for the play where the pivot is not allowed. But I'm not losing sleep over it.

[rainmaker]

But we also need to keep in mind that regardless of what we all agree on, there is another group of people out there who are also very confused about the meanings. If we can describe these different maneuvers in ways that don't include the words "jump" and "stop", we will have a much easier time communicating with players, coaches and parents. I know they don't matter, in one way, but we also need to do what we can to keep from throwing gas on the fire. If I say to a coach, "You can't pivot after a jump-stop" he may not hear the correct information, regardless of what I meant. So I propose to completely throw out the phrase, "jump stop" and not bother using it at all. It hurts more than it helps.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by rainmaker
But we also need to keep in mind that regardless of what we all agree on, there is another group of people out there who are also very confused about the meanings. If we can describe these different maneuvers in ways that don't include the words "jump" and "stop", we will have a much easier time communicating with players, coaches and parents. I know they don't matter, in one way, but we also need to do what we can to keep from throwing gas on the fire. If I say to a coach, "You can't pivot after a jump-stop" he may not hear the correct information, regardless of what I meant. So I propose to completely throw out the phrase, "jump stop" and not bother using it at all. It hurts more than it helps.

If you say to a coach "You can't pivot after a jump-stop" you would be wrong, or at least incomplete, as already discussed. The term jump stop is fully explained in the rule book. I'm not sure it's my problem if a coach isn't familiar with what the rule book says.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
And although it's just my personal preference, I would vote for reserving "jump-stop" only for the play where the pivot is not allowed. But I'm not losing sleep over it.

And that's how (most) officials first used it.

But, (most) coaches used it to describe (only) the "pick up the dribble in the air and land on two feet" move.

So, now it's used for both. Explicitly in NCAA; implicitly in FED.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

And that's how (most) officials first used it.

But, (most) coaches used it to describe (only) the "pick up the dribble in the air and land on two feet" move.

So, now it's used for both. Explicitly in NCAA; implicitly in FED.

More descriptive and removing the confusion would be two different names:

Jump-Catch Stop (pivot allowed)

Catch-Jump Stop (pivot not allowed)

[ChuckElias]

I like those, Camron. Or, how about:

Jump-stop (pivot allowed)
Hop-stop (pivot not allowed)

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I like those, Camron. Or, how about:

Jump-stop (pivot allowed)
Hop-stop (pivot not allowed)

Or how about

That-jumping-move-thingy-where-a-pivot-is-allowed
That-jumping-move-thingy-where-a-pivot-is-not-allowed

[ChuckElias]

That's kind of a mouthful. Too hard to say as you're running past the coach. But if everybody else agrees to do it that way. . .

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
That's kind of a mouthful. Too hard to say as you're running past the coach. But if everybody else agrees to do it that way. . .

How about Al & Bob then?

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

How about Al & Bob then?

"You can call me Ray, or you can call me..."

[ChuckElias]

"Coach, you know as well as I do that you can't pivot after a Bob." Yeah, that oughtta do it.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

How about Al & Bob then?

Types A & B otherwise known as Al & Bob!

Coach, that was a type A.

Can't pivot after a type B, coach.